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Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:48am

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Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 671578)
Snaqs, if I remember right you are one of the fortunate military men to be called an Airmen correct?

"Airmen"? :eek:

What's worse? Being racist or sexist? Shouldn't that be "Airperson"?

What do they call wimmen airmen?

Sounds like we definitely need to have a poll on this one.



And anybody that thinks the above is serious because I didn't write it in freaking <font color = blue>blue font</font> needs to give their head a shake also.

DLH17 Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:59am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 671590)
"Airmen"? :eek:

What's worse? Being racist or sexist? Shouldn't that be "Airperson"?

What do they call wimmen airmen?

Sounds like we definitely need to have a poll on this one.



And anybody that thinks the above is serious because I didn't write it in freaking <font color = blue>blue font</font> needs to give their head a shake also.

Try using "frakking" blue font. It works much better than "freaking" blue font.

Adam Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:00am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 671590)
"Airmen"? :eek:

What's worse? Being racist or sexist? Shouldn't that be "Airperson"?

What do they call wimmen airmen?

Sounds like we definitely need to have a poll on this one.

Crap, you're right JR! "Airman" is not only a specific rank (three ranks, actually) that applies to both genders, but is also a generic term referring to all who serve in the Air Force, such as soldier, marine, or sailor.

I don't think my congressman would care, but perhaps I could approach my US Senator who seems to be struggling for a lifeline in his re-election campaign.

Adam Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:06am

Although I do have a few Airheads who work for me. How's that?

tomegun Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:22am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 671594)
Crap, you're right JR! "Airman" is not only a specific rank (three ranks, actually) that applies to both genders, but is also a generic term referring to all who serve in the Air Force, such as soldier, marine, or sailor.

I don't think my congressman would care, but perhaps I could approach my US Senator who seems to be struggling for a lifeline in his re-election campaign.

Yep and I was using it to describe everyone in the Air Force. Hey, we have to have something wrong with us. I will accept that the term Airmen isn't politically correct since we are perfect in every other way (I say we because I get a check every month :D )

amusedofficial Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:26am

We all Jack Webb. Or are we?
 
The officials are independent contractors, who in most cases are employed for games by public schools and public school leagues, or by private schools, including colleges, that receive federal funds. The assignor is the agent for the schools in finding and hiring offficials, and sometimes in paying them, althrough with the school's funds. Thus the schools can be responsible for the actions of the agent.

It has been widely held that federal discrimination laws do not apply to independent contractors. However, section 1981 of the Civil Rights Act of 1991 provides that that law covers "the enjoyment of all benefits, privileges, terms, and condition of the contractual relationship."

Consider certain facts:

First, virtually all schools take federal money, directly or indirectly, even if it's just for school lunches. As a result, they fall under the federal Civil Rights acts.

Second, some manner of grooming is ethnically oriented and some manner of grooming is age oriented. You don't see many white guys with cornrows' or dreadlocks. In some cultures, certain manners of grooming are considered normal, attractive or even expected.

Third, while being an independent contractor may shield the employer against specific equal employment opportunity laws, the independent contractor is entitled to be free from unlawful discrimination in enjoying the full benefit of the independent contractor relationship. Therefore, discrimination that is based on ethnicity, and for which there is no bone fide occupational reason, may be actionable.

When assignors threaten a loss of employment opportunity based on culturally-differentiated grooming styles, or perhaps even on age-differentiated grooming styles, they could expose themselves and the public schools (or publicly-aided private schools) for which they assign to litigation.

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:27am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 671594)
I don't think my congressman would care, but perhaps I could approach my US Senator who seems to be struggling for a lifeline in his re-election campaign.

Our hopes and prayers will go with you on your mission to right this terrible travesty.

Maybe we can make up a special <font color = blue>blue ribbon</font> sticker for our back bumpers to bring awareness to everybody about this problem.

Wait a minute. It's always been "blue for boys" and "pink for girls", hasn't it. Well, that sh!t has to stop too. It's one color for everybody from now on!! Be sure to bring that up with Senator Quagmire also.

DLH17 Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:33am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 671601)
Our hopes and prayers will go with you on your mission to right this terrible travesty.

Maybe we can make up a special <font color = blue>blue ribbon</font> sticker for our back bumpers to bring awareness to everybody about this problem.

Wait a minute. It's always been "blue for boys" and "pink for girls", hasn't it. Well, that sh!t has to stop too. It's one color for everybody from now on!! Be sure to bring that up with Senator Quagmire also.

Don't hold your breath.

Mark Padgett Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:34am

I think we need to form a committee to discuss this subject. And don't forget to appoint a Madam Chairperson, whatever that means.

Sorry - I ran out of blue font.

Adam Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:36am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 671601)
Our hopes and prayers will go with you on your mission to right this terrible travesty.

Maybe we can make up a special <font color = blue>blue ribbon</font> sticker for our back bumpers to bring awareness to everybody about this problem.

Wait a minute. It's always been "blue for boys" and "pink for girls", hasn't it. Well, that sh!t has to stop too. It's one color for everybody from now on!! Be sure to bring that up with Senator Quagmire also.

Not that easy, Chief. I'm going to need some funds. If you're really supportive of the cause, you'll pony up.

Adam Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:38am

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 671602)
Don't hold your breath.

Fixed it for you.

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:50am

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Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 671600)

Consider certain facts:

When assignors threaten a loss of employment opportunity based on culturally-differentiated grooming styles, or perhaps even on age-differentiated grooming styles, they could expose themselves and the public schools (or publicly-aided private schools) for which they assign to litigation.

Consider other facts.

A lot of assignors represent associations. And those associations make up their own rules, not the assignors. And those rules are made by it's members. They get to vote on and approve the rules and regulations that they're governed by. And assignors then have to follow the direction that they're given. That's the way that our association works.

Personally, I could care less if one of my guys/gals wore cornrows. As long as they're neat, clean and presentable, I'm a happy l'il feller. And if somebody ever complained about cornrows, I'd have to take that complaint to our members and let them decide how to proceed.

Assignors are employed by somebody. And assignors usually have to follow the direction of those "somebodys" as a condition of employment.

I also doubt that anyone assigning a college conference has the stroke to impose his own beliefs on his officiating crew. The conference will set the guidelines, usually in conjunction with NCAA norms. And if the conference says it's OK for their officials to wear cornrows, then the officials will be allowed to wear cornrows. It's no difference than officials with beards.

DLH17 Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:55am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 671605)
Fixed it for you.

That works too. :D

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:59am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 671604)
If you're really supportive of the cause, you'll pony up.

I asked for a pony for Christmas once when I was a kid. But since we were poor, all I got was a chicken. Do you know how terrible it is to be laughed at by the neighborhood kids when they see you out in a wagon being pulled by a chicken? :eek: It didn't matter to me though; I still loved Reggie(my pet chicken).

Even today I'd go to my room and cry at the memory.....except there was a happy ending. Reggie was delicious.

Thanks for letting me share.

Adam Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:01pm

I think I shed a tear, but I'm not sure.


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