True, but you'd have to learn FIBA rules.

I think it may be worth it, those are sweet!!

I don't see anyone on this board saying that being a "basketball move" makes it legal, just not flagrant. (perhaps you're referring to the announcers words which I didn't listen to).

I do see an obvious PC foul. I just don't see a flagrant.

He didn't aim, he didn't wind up, he just pivot with his arms up as is the case through the whole game. He just happened to have a defender step into that same space at the wrong time.

In the process of explaining this to an irate coach this is an issue of LGP, right?

Use "verticality". The same concepts apply in both FED and NCAA rules. A player with the ball can't clear out or cause illegal contact within the defender's vertical plane.

NFHS rule 4-44-5 and NCAA rule 4-74-1(e)

"He clocked him with his elbow."

I guess I don't feel the need to explain more than that.

This play was correctly called as an offensive foul.

I agree that we have to think about upgrading this to flagrant. I don't know FIBA rules, but this is a great opportunity to go to the monitor if that is available to the crew.

I love 'em, and I'm old school.

Sorry, I was referring to announcer-speak and was actually thinking along your lines; "basketball moves" has no bearing on whether it's a foul or not; only on the level of foul.

I would only quibble by saying the defender was in that space before he pivoted in.

Flagrant...no way. Pretty good sales job by the defender too. He stepped right up to the offensive player...inches from him. Offensive player pivoted his entire body. Contact was inevitable. Mess with the bull - you might get the horns. Way to take one for the team.

I don't think there is anything to debate, much less make a poll. If you had flagrant - non flagrant as the options then it would be legitimate.

If you are one of the 7 who said "no call" please let us know so I know not to work with you ever.

As an aside... for the Canadian version of the Final Four, there sure aren't many in attendance.

And? :confused:

Isn't that how you're supposed to play defense?

The latest instruction coming out from John Adams is that these fouls need to be called flagrant. This hasn't been well publicized yet, but if you keep an eye out this summer you will hear about it.

All 7 votes came from the coach of the white team...

He's one of those "you have to give him his space" guys. :rolleyes: