More trouble for Herb Pope
 

After departing from New Mexico State under less than stellar circumstances, the Seton Hall transfer has just been ejected from tonight's NIT game against Texas Tech for delivering a low blow to an opponent.

Sadly the officials didn't see it during live action--didn't even have a common foul on the play. They had to go to the monitor for it. I guess the monitor is here to stay because people refuse to look off-ball.

Just your average ol' off-ball left jab to the nuts. Obviously deliberate too. Dirty, dirty play.

And the Seton Hall coach, scumbag that he is, whined about it too.

Just saw the replay and the trail had ball coverage. The C had all kinds of players in his area and would not have been looking where the play transpired. The lead would have been the only one and based on his angle I think he was straight-lined. Looking at where his head was I don't believe he was ball watching (no pun intended) and could not see the surreptitious punch to the groin.

You sound awful sanctimonious in your post to me. I am going to give the officials who are working the post season the benefit of the doubt on this one and not refer to them as ball watchers.

Agree 100% with this. And glad the monitor was there so that the officials could "fix the problem"

here's a video of the video .. heh.

YouTube - Herb Pope punches Darko Cohadarevic in the groin

Unbelievable....
 

But then again, I guess everything is believable in this day and age. Very sad.

Wow
 

My question is, what in the world is coach whining about. Maybe he is a boxing fan where that kind of stuff gets a warning the first time. Amazing..I am glad that kid is not at Alma Mater any more.

Give the benefit all that you wish and even take a few jabs at me while your at it. It won't change the fact that three D1 guys working the post-season completely missed this play. The two players had just been tangled at the opposite end of the court resulting in one of them going to the floor. Any one with half a brain would have kept an eye on those two for the next couple of trips. They didn't. I find that less than stellar officiating. Feel free to disagree.

Thank you for giving me your permission to disagree [sarcasm].

Disagree

We all miss plays. And I think the lead may have been looking but could not see through the players. That is why they went to the monitor and then properly dumped the kid.

Agree with this 100%. I'm kind of surprised the crew didn't go to the monitor after the first time the Texas Tech player went down.

YouTube - Phillip Williams punches Dee Bost in the groin

I thought you guys were talking about this one from Jackson St./Miss St. last night...two instances of players punching opponents in the groin in the same night??? Wow. A little difference in the response from the coaches...

"Wow" is right.

I wonder if Nevada thought that was "less than stellar officiating" also.

I don't care who you are or how good you are. Sometimes shots like those are hard to catch.

[QUOTE=Jurassic Referee;668685]"Wow" is right.

I don't care who you are or how good you are. Sometimes shots like those are hard to catch.[/QUOTE]

This.

Three top notch officials working the game...all will work mulitple games in the NCAA tourney.


Mike Eades

Roger Ayers

Ray Natili

Agree. That was not an easy game to do. Seton Hall's idea of defense in the second half was to run 2 or 3 defenders at the dribbler and hope the contact wouldn't be called.

I don't care how good or bad the officials are. You can't make chicken soup out of chicken sh!t.

Players are going to do stupid things...no one - not even the high and mighty D-I officials Nevada so enjoys calling out - be prepared for all the stupid things players will do. In both of these cases, the players were quite sneaky about it, and chose time and place where the officials would have a hard time seeing what they were doing.

In the end, the players got exactly what they deserved, and one would hope that the respective universities would take care of bidness here.

I like you: you're just as naive as I am! :)

Not necessarily, he didn't say he was the "one."

OK, I give up: I don't get it. :mad:

He said "one would hope." He didn't say he "would hope." "One" could refer to anyone.

Don't worry. I didn't get it either...

But that is quite often the case when Snaqs is posting!! :D

Anyway...I do still have just enough naivete to expect that the Coach or AD of these schools would take care of these clowns.

Oh. How disappointing. I was so looking forward to you posting something too clever for me. :(

hey

Never mind.

Don't hold your breath.

Plenty of time for him to whine now. Seton Hall canned him this morning.

And now he'll get hired at ESPN and treated like an expert on officiating issues.

I'm not sure which of those situations is worse...the Seton Hall coach whining about his player getting ejected for punching a guy in the nuts or the Jackson State player who gets ejected for punching a guy in the nuts and then mouths off about it as he leaves the court:eek: Like everyone else....all I can say is WOW!

I know Roger and he is absolutely good people. He gives a TON back to officiating and has his head screwed on straight. Does not have the outsized ego that some officials at that level sometimes get. I am sure that he spent a VERY big portion of the post game going over what happened and how they can avoid it happening again. I am fairly certain that he is glad they got it right, even if they had to go to the monitor.
Mike is also a good guy and a great official, but I apparently turned this into the Roger Ayers tribute thread!

I would love to watch a game you officiate.

I guess you would know. :D

I don't think NV point is that he is better than the officials on the floor (of course I could be wrong). ;) The point is that the two players were involved in an altercation just the play before resulting a player on the floor. Someone on the crew at the very least should have been watching them come up the floor; it is called game awareness.

Granted, the T was officiating the ball coming up the court. The C and L should've have had an immediate whistle when the Tx Tech player went down to addressed what happened, even if they didn't see the foul; it was the Red Raider's ball. The Tx Tech player was on the floor for about 5 seconds before a whistle was blown to address him.

As a result, the play may have cost the Seton Hall coach his job for other reasons besides wins and losses.

Seton Hall fires hoops coach Bobby Gonzalez - College Basketball - Rivals.com

There was no "altercation" on the previous trip down the floor...a body went down during rebounding action. That happens quite often. There was nothing there to make the officials go "Oh my God. What did we just miss"...the benefit of multiple replay camera angles has shown us what happened, but for the crew on the court, there was no huge "We have to watch this guy" moment. The SH player pulled a bullsh!t move and it was dealt with...

What more does it take for a crew to go "oh my God. What did we just miss?" The player didn't just fall, he flew across the court. Call me paranoid but thats an "oh my God" action for me. Ok, so they missed that one, fine, it happens. ...but, they most certainly should have had an eagle eye on those two players during the ensuing play. Its no secret I'm not a fan of mens officials, but I do feel this crew called a great game. However, they dropped the ball on this one and thankfully he monitor saved them

Apparently from the latest news stories out, there sureasheck was an altercation on the rebounding play. According to reports, Pope gave the TT player a nut-shot on that play too. Not quite as obvious though. He went 2 for 2 on low blows.

He should be that accurate shooting free throws.

wow, this quote was quite enlightening from Bob Hurley,

I dont care what his point his - he is very quick to point out the mistakes of every type of call and I can be wrong but it comes off a bit desperate and insecure. Every angle offers a different story and in the game you only get one angle (whether you like it or not) and you don't have the liberty of replay over and over again. That's why I would love to watch one of his 0 mistake games, which I think is safe to assume he has because of his great knowledge of the rules and his ability to pick apart every other officials mistakes.

That's just my personal observations.

I agree with the two comments above.

It's all about how much you practice, JR. SH must have had some sort of "nut-shot" drill worked into their routine! :eek:

I'd hate to be on their practice squad.