espn tournament challenge

[Adam]

I refuse to pick the "play-in" game until they call it what it is; the first round.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I refuse to pick the "play-in" game until they call it what it is; the first round.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Not crying, just taking a meaningless stance.

Sort of like Tiger Woods skipping meaningless golf tournaments to work on his marriage.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I refuse to pick the "play-in" game until they call it what it is; the first round.

I am puzzled as to why they are not in the KS bracket. If they are in the 64 v 65 game, why do they not play the role of Lehigh?

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I am puzzled as to why they are not in the KS bracket. If they are in the 64 v 65 game, why do they not play the role of Lehigh?

Great question....one I'd like to have answer to, as well. It seems like a no brainer given that Kay U is the #1 overall seed. Is it not logical that the first team in would play the last team in?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Great question....one I'd like to have answer to, as well. It seems like a no brainer given that Kay U is the #1 overall seed. Is it not logical that the first team in would play the last team in?

Apparently travel costs and the desire to actually fill arenas comes more into play than accurate seeding of 65 teams.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Apparently travel costs and the desire to actually fill arenas comes more into play than accurate seeding of 65 teams.

"That's right, dollar signs."

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Apparently travel costs and the desire to actually fill arenas comes more into play than accurate seeding of 65 teams.

That is exactly why. They've said as much. The play-in game is matched up with the region closest to the participating schools no matter which #1 is in it.

It doesn't really matter. If the overall #1 has more trouble with #61 than #64, they didn't deserve the overall #1.

Also, they've stated before that the seeding sometimes is adjusted to meet other requirements. They'll move teams in the middle up/down to meet the rules on playing conference foes in the early rounds, the rules on not playing at your home facility, or of the other principles they try to meet.

[mick]

The schools that have men's basketball teams with graduation rates of less than 40% are Arkansas-Pine Bluff (29%), Baylor (36%), California (20%), Clemson (37%), Georgia Tech (38%), Kentucky (31%), Louisville (38%), Maryland (8%), Missouri (36%), New Mexico State (36%), Tennessee (30%) and Washington (29%).

Education Secretary Duncan: Ban NCAA teams with low grad rates - USATODAY.com

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by mick

The schools that have men's basketball teams with graduation rates of less than 40% are Arkansas-Pine Bluff (29%), Baylor (36%), California (20%), Clemson (37%), Georgia Tech (38%), Kentucky (31%), Louisville (38%), Maryland (8%), Missouri (36%), New Mexico State (36%), Tennessee (30%) and Washington (29%).

Education Secretary Duncan: Ban NCAA teams with low grad rates - USATODAY.com

Since some schools have guys leave early to go to the NBA and other pro leagues, that would be like saying people could not be appointed to office who do not file tax returns.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by mick

The schools that have men's basketball teams with graduation rates of less than 40% are Arkansas-Pine Bluff (29%), Baylor (36%), California (20%), Clemson (37%), Georgia Tech (38%), Kentucky (31%), Louisville (38%), Maryland (8%), Missouri (36%), New Mexico State (36%), Tennessee (30%) and Washington (29%).

Education Secretary Duncan: Ban NCAA teams with low grad rates - USATODAY.com

And those numbers are effectively bogus since a player who transfers elsewhere and graduades counts as not graduating for the original school. Likewise for players leaving for the NBA. And you must also consider how many non-athelete student meet the same standards. 1 transfer a year and you're down 20-30% as most schools only have 3-5 recruits in any given year.


A few pieces of info from www.collegeboard.com

• The U.S. Department of Education's National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) tracked the progress of first-time students seeking a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent and attending a four-year institution full time in the 2000-2001 school year. It found that only 36 percent of students graduate from college within four years. And only 57.5 percent of undergraduates who began that year had attained a degree or certificate six years later, in 2007.

Note that the 57.5% probably includes students who transfered as having graduated if then finished elsewhere (it doesn't say one way or the other but the artical was about the overall time to finish school).

• According to the U.S. Department of Education, nearly 60 percent of undergraduates attend more than one institution.

Basically, few students graduate in 4 or 5 years any more. It can be done, but the average is approaching 6.