established legal guard position but too close to an opponent without the ball?

[christianH]

Many thanks for your replies guys.

Couldn't we consider the fact that B1 didn't respect elements of time and distance when establishing LGP so actually what we have here is an illegal guard position?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by christianH

Many thanks for your replies guys.

Couldn't we consider the fact that B1 didn't respect elements of time and distance when establishing LGP so actually what we have here is an illegal guard position?

Nope, because once A1 catches the ball, time and distance don't matter.

Originally Posted by Rule 4-24-4a

No time or distance is required to obtain an initial legal position.

Now, if B1 never faced A1, you could make the argument that he needs to meet the screening requirements for time and distance.

[M&M Guy]

christianH, just a quick question - what rule set is this? NFHS, NCAA, or FIBA?

The reason I ask is the answers being supplied are based on NFHS and NCAA rules, and there is a chance FIBA might be different.

[Adam]

Thanks, M&M, I kept forgetting to add that caveat. I have to assume he's officiating FIBA rules based on his signature, I just forgot to note that. You're my hero.

[APG]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

christianH, just a quick question - what rule set is this? NFHS, NCAA, or FIBA?

The reason I ask is the answers being supplied are based on NFHS and NCAA rules, and there is a chance FIBA might be different.

Time and distance do not apply to a player with the ball as well in FIBA.

33.4 Guarding a player who controls the ball
When guarding a player who controls (is holding or dribbling) the ball, the elements of time and distance do not apply. The player with the ball must expect to be guarded and must be prepared to stop or change his direction whenever an opponent takes an initial legal guarding position in front of him, even if this is done within a fraction of a second.

[M&M Guy]

Well, there you go. Thanks APG.

It was nice to be someone's hero, even if it was only for a short moment.

[Adam]

But it was a shining moment, my friend.

[christianH]

Thanks guys

yes I am under FIBA.

I ref in local league in the countryside of England.

England is a country near Wales.

A1 apparently had a mild injury in his nose and unfortunately we cannot do anything about it under either FIBA or NCAA rules to prevent this kind of accidents

[Adam]

Tell A1 to look where he's going.
Tell A2 not to throw the pass into traffic like that.
Tell A3, A4, and A5 to call out the defender to A1. "LOOK OUT!"

It's no more dangerous than a blind screen that doesn't get called out by teammates of the defender.

[christianH]

Thanks Snaqwells

that is exactly what I will say if the same situation happens again.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by christianH

England is a country near Wales.

I was traveling in Wales once. I met an old man and, being interested in Celtic languages, I asked him about Welsh.

"Does Welsh have a word like the Spanish mañana: you know, relax, do it tomorrow, put everything off, etc.?"

He replied, "Ay, we have such a word, but nothing quite so urgent."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I was traveling in Wales once. I met an old man and, being interested in Celtic languages, I asked him about Welsh.

"Does Welsh have a word like the Spanish mañana: you know, relax, do it tomorrow, put everything off, etc.?"

He replied, "Ay, we have such a word, but nothing quite so urgent."

Now you're messing with my heritage. One of these days....