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bas2456 Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:57pm

Best Remedy for Coaches
 
I was talking with a partner a while back, and he told me about how one league punishes coaches who get ejected.

They are suspended for a game, and must officiate one game before they can return to the sidelines.

Brilliant!

just another ref Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:59pm

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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 665528)
I was talking with a partner a while back, and he told me about how one league punishes coaches who get ejected.

They are suspended for a game, and must officiate one game before they can return to the sidelines.

Brilliant!

I don't like it. Why punish the other teams?

bas2456 Mon Mar 01, 2010 01:01pm

He told me they work 3-man when this happens, so there's at least two competent officials on the game.

Adam Mon Mar 01, 2010 01:01pm

Does the league normally use officials who aren't licensed?

just another ref Mon Mar 01, 2010 01:02pm

What level is this?

grunewar Mon Mar 01, 2010 01:03pm

While I understand the thought process, we have discussed many times here before that many coaches don't really know the rules. So, while they will get a real feel for how hard it is, as has been stated - who are we punishing?

Coach may learn some valuable lessons though...which is obviously the point.

bas2456 Mon Mar 01, 2010 01:04pm

I believe it's a rec league. Don't know much other than that.

chartrusepengui Mon Mar 01, 2010 01:06pm

Man, talk about the urge to throw someone under a bus!! :)

Judtech Mon Mar 01, 2010 01:53pm

We have a school district here who goes further. ANY coach from ANY sport who gets ejected is FIRED. Not just their coaching job but their teaching job as well. It is open to a review of the ejection but they were tired of some of their coaches (non basketball) being ejected so they went this route. Amazingly, they haven't had a coach run since!

bradfordwilkins Mon Mar 01, 2010 02:27pm

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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 665541)
We have a school district here who goes further. ANY coach from ANY sport who gets ejected is FIRED. Not just their coaching job but their teaching job as well. It is open to a review of the ejection but they were tired of some of their coaches (non basketball) being ejected so they went this route. Amazingly, they haven't had a coach run since!

Wow -- the question is do officials feel less inclined to take control or do the coaches really learn how to behave like adults?

Jurassic Referee Mon Mar 01, 2010 03:09pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 665531)
Does the league normally use officials who aren't licensed?

Our insurance coverage doesn't apply if we work with non-licensed officials.

And I think that most sports insurance packages read that way also.

bas2456 Mon Mar 01, 2010 03:29pm

The guy who told me about it was licensed with the state, but that doesn't necessarily mean every official in that league is.

Adam Mon Mar 01, 2010 03:30pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 665563)
Our insurance coverage doesn't apply if we work with non-licensed officials.

And I think that most sports insurance packages read that way also.

This is an interesting point. Here in CO, many middle school games are assigned using non-IAABO officials. Many of our rec games are similarly scheduled. I'd never considered insurance ramifications.

ref2coach Mon Mar 01, 2010 03:35pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 665568)
This is an interesting point. Here in CO, many middle school games are assigned using non-IAABO officials. Many of our rec games are similarly scheduled. I'd never considered insurance ramifications.

The best policy you can have as a referee in any sport is the Policy that is included in the NASO membership. The scope of coverage includes ANY contest officiated no mater how you were assigned or self contracted. $94 per year for full NASO membership.

Judtech Mon Mar 01, 2010 03:35pm

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Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins (Post 665546)
Wow -- the question is do officials feel less inclined to take control or do the coaches really learn how to behave like adults?

No, they usually do a good job and behave. As for basketball, the boys coach gets a T from time to time, but he is one of those that if he has a question and you answer it he is ok. May not LIKE it but calms down. So if you are confident in your call, and occasionally confident that you missed that call, you won't have a problem.

Welpe Mon Mar 01, 2010 03:36pm

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Best Remedy for Coaches
Preparation H.

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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 665541)
We have a school district here who goes further. ANY coach from ANY sport who gets ejected is FIRED. Not just their coaching job but their teaching job as well. It is open to a review of the ejection but they were tired of some of their coaches (non basketball) being ejected so they went this route. Amazingly, they haven't had a coach run since!

Wow! I hate to say it but I think this one goes a little too far.

APG Mon Mar 01, 2010 03:39pm

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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 665541)
We have a school district here who goes further. ANY coach from ANY sport who gets ejected is FIRED. Not just their coaching job but their teaching job as well. It is open to a review of the ejection but they were tired of some of their coaches (non basketball) being ejected so they went this route. Amazingly, they haven't had a coach run since!

Is this for any ejection? I'm assuming that after review, a coach wouldn't be fired for say, 3 players dunking during pre-game or a coach receiving a direct technical for an illegal uniform and later getting an unsporting technical foul.

Jurassic Referee Mon Mar 01, 2010 03:42pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 665568)
This is an interesting point. Here in CO, many middle school games are assigned using non-IAABO officials. Many of our rec games are similarly scheduled. I'd never considered insurance ramifications.

Schools usually carry their own group insurance for their own games. And sports officials may be covered under that group insurance also. Iow, dependant on your local coverage you may be double-covered, covered or not covered if you work with a non-licensed official. Not a bad idea to find out imo.

That's my understanding of it anyway.

Judtech Mon Mar 01, 2010 03:45pm

They are held responsible for the actions of their teams. That includes warm up dunking and uniforms. It is harsh, but apparently this school used to be VERY bad with their coaches/players etc.

just another ref Mon Mar 01, 2010 03:59pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 665579)
Schools usually carry their own group insurance for their own games. And sports officials may be covered under that group insurance also. Iow, dependant on your local coverage you may be double-covered, covered or not covered if you work with a non-licensed official. Not a bad idea to find out imo.

That's my understanding of it anyway.


Covered against what, specifically?

APG Mon Mar 01, 2010 03:59pm

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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 665582)
They are held responsible for the actions of their teams. That includes warm up dunking and uniforms. It is harsh, but apparently this school used to be VERY bad with their coaches/players etc.

You are right that they are responsible and we rightfully access them with the proper technical. My point was it would be silly (at least to me) for a coach/teacher to lose their position because 3 players dunked the ball in pregame. I can see why they'd want this if a coach is ejected for two unsporting technicals (which I'd bet the rule was originally intended to curve), but I feel it'd be harsh in out circumstances.

Jurassic Referee Mon Mar 01, 2010 04:29pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 665594)
Covered against what, specifically?

Whatever is written into the applicable policy. It varies, of course.


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