The Official Forum

The Official Forum (https://forum.officiating.com/)
-   Basketball (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/)
-   -   Late playoff official (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/57357-late-playoff-official.html)

just another ref Sat Feb 27, 2010 04:52pm

Late playoff official
 
Last night I went to watch a first round boys playoff at the local high school. During the warmups I only saw two officials. I asked one of the guys where their other partner was. He shrugged. "Late. He'll be here after a while."
It was a while. The guy arrived with two minutes left in the half. He took his position and the game continued.

What would have been the repercussions for this where you live? Short term and long term? Would state regulations allow you to start a playoff game with two officials, especially if the third was known to be on the way? Given the choice, would you have allowed this guy to enter the game in the middle, or just say never mind? What kind of sanctions would your association have for this?

mutantducky Sat Feb 27, 2010 05:52pm

for something like that I wonder if it was a legitimate reason or if there was a last minute replacement.

just another ref Sat Feb 27, 2010 05:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mutantducky (Post 665274)
for something like that I wonder if it was a legitimate reason or if there was a last minute replacement.

All I know is the guys came from about 90 miles away. They were supposed to meet and all ride together, but this guy was late so the others had to leave without him. He drove in by himself.

Judtech Sat Feb 27, 2010 05:59pm

Well since we weren't there and don't know why he was late can we really make a judgement as to what penalty would/should be enforced?:D

BillyMac Sat Feb 27, 2010 07:31pm

It wasn't my fault, I swear to God.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 665278)
Well since we weren't there and don't know why he was late can we really make a judgement as to what penalty would/should be enforced?

I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts.

tjchamp Sat Feb 27, 2010 07:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 665291)
I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts.

CLASSIC. Love it.

Judtech Sat Feb 27, 2010 08:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 665291)
I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts.

Cab Fare and locust are fine. But a flood? Seriously? You should have prepared LONG before!!

Adam Sat Feb 27, 2010 08:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 665297)
Cab Fare and locust are fine. But a flood? Seriously? You should have prepared LONG before!!

Yeah, like at least 40 days.

Welpe Sat Feb 27, 2010 08:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 665291)
I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts.

Suddenly I have the craving for four fried chickens and a coke.

Indianaref Sun Feb 28, 2010 07:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 665271)
What kind of sanctions would your association have for this?

There's a lot of questions still need to be answered before the Assoc sanctions the guy. He may have a legit reason.

mbyron Sun Feb 28, 2010 09:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 665301)
Suddenly I have the craving for four fried chickens and a coke.

That's funny. I'm craving dry toast.

bas2456 Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 665291)
I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts.

It's 90 miles to our game site. We've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.

Hit it.

Adam Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 665346)
It's 90 miles to our game site. We've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.

Hit it.

We're on a mission from God.

bas2456 Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 665348)
We're on a mission from God.

And our address is 1060 W. Addison

Welpe Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:36pm

Are you the police?

No ma'am, we're officials.

bas2456 Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:56pm

I bet these schools got SCMODS.

SCMODS?

State County Municipal Official Data System.

BillyMac Sun Feb 28, 2010 01:53pm

Pot Stirrer ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 665299)
Yeah, like at least 40 days.

Wait a minute? Are you trying to take us back to the "forfeit because of religious beliefs" thread?

BillyMac Sun Feb 28, 2010 02:02pm

"Oh, we got both kinds. We got country and western."
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 665301)
Suddenly I have the craving for four fried chickens and a coke.

"This is my man, this is my restaurant, and you two are gonna turn around and walk right out of here, without your dry white toast, without your four fried chickens, and without Matt 'Guitar' Murphy!"

Best car chase scene ever. Better than Steve McQueen in Bullitt. Better than Gene Hackman in the French Connection.

Welpe Sun Feb 28, 2010 02:29pm

I think I have a movie to watch today.

bas2456 Sun Feb 28, 2010 02:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 665374)
I think I have a movie to watch today.

Not watching USA-Canada?

Welpe Sun Feb 28, 2010 02:37pm

I didn't even realize it was on...shows how much I've been following the Olympics.

bas2456 Sun Feb 28, 2010 02:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 665380)
I didn't even realize it was on...shows how much I've been following the Olympics.

Haha. If you watch one Olympic event, this should be it. Game starts in about 35 minutes on NBC

Welpe Sun Feb 28, 2010 02:41pm

I've watched some curling, which was surprisingly interesting.

I set my DVR for today, thanks. :)

bas2456 Sun Feb 28, 2010 02:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 665383)
I've watched some curling, which was surprisingly interesting.

I set my DVR for today, thanks. :)

I finally understand curling, thanks to the extensive coverage. We'll see if I remember how it works in four years

BillyMac Sun Feb 28, 2010 02:58pm

Is Curling A Real Sport ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 665383)
I've watched some curling, which was surprisingly interesting.

Agree. I have only watched about thirty minutes of the Games each night, I'm not into winter sports, but a few nights ago, I discovered curling on one of NBC's cable stations. I decided to watch it for a just few minutes. About two hours later, I had to stop watching to go to bed. Why do some people, including me, find curling so intriguing? Other than the fact that some of those Scandinavian women are really, really good looking. Why can't curling be a sport where the women have to wear bikinis, like beach volleyball?

26 Year Gap Sun Feb 28, 2010 03:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 665387)
Agree. I have only watched about thirty minutes of the Games each night, I'm not into winter sports, but a few nights ago, I discovered curling on one of NBC's cable stations. I decided to watch it for a just few minutes. About two hours later, I had to stop watching to go to bed. Why do some people, including me, find curling so intriguing? Other than the fact that some of those Scandinavian women are really, really good looking. Why can't curling be a sport where the women have to wear bikinis, like beach volleyball?

Because the ice isn't in glasses like it is in beach volleyball.

BillyMac Sun Feb 28, 2010 03:21pm

It's True, Proof, No Team At The Olympics This Year ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 665390)
Because the ice isn't in glasses like it is in beach volleyball.

Reminds me of the Ethiopian ice hockey team. They couldn't get enough players together to form a team because they all kept drowning during tryouts.

mbyron Sun Feb 28, 2010 04:41pm

"How much for the women?"

JugglingReferee Sun Feb 28, 2010 04:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 665382)
Haha. If you watch one Olympic event, this should be it. Game starts in about 35 minutes on NBC

NBC showed something live?

JugglingReferee Sun Feb 28, 2010 04:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 665387)
Agree. I have only watched about thirty minutes of the Games each night, I'm not into winter sports, but a few nights ago, I discovered curling on one of NBC's cable stations. I decided to watch it for a just few minutes. About two hours later, I had to stop watching to go to bed. Why do some people, including me, find curling so intriguing? Other than the fact that some of those Scandinavian women are really, really good looking. Why can't curling be a sport where the women have to wear bikinis, like beach volleyball?

One of the benefits of being Canadian, is that we don't have to figure out curling. We're born knowing. No red rocks needed. ;)

BillyMac Sun Feb 28, 2010 04:54pm

No, sir, Mayor Daley no longer dines here, sir. He's dead, sir.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 665403)
"How much for the women?"

"Your women, how much for the women? The little girl your two daughters, sell them to me, sell me your children!"

OK. This has been going on for over twenty-one hours. When is enough, enough? Not enough yet? I agree. I'll just leave it up to the moderators. Eventually the post will be closed, certainly with justification, after all, this thread has really moved away from the basketball arena. What's the line we have to cross?

How about another one?

"We got two honkies out there dressed like Hasidic diamond merchants."

And I thought Airplane! had the best quotes? Boy was I wrong.

mbyron Sun Feb 28, 2010 05:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 665409)
And I thought Airplane! had the best quotes? Boy was I wrong.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

Adam Sun Feb 28, 2010 05:28pm

I think you're the greatest, but my Dad says you don't work hard enough on defense.

just another ref Sun Feb 28, 2010 06:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 665417)
I think you're the greatest, but my Dad says you don't work hard enough on defense.

He says you don't even try, except in the playoffs.

That official in the OP shoulda tried harder. He didn't even show up on time.

26 Year Gap Sun Feb 28, 2010 06:44pm

My guess is that the 2 officials who WERE there on time felt comfortable enough to proceed with the 2 they had. Big difference from 1 of 2 showing up late. They probably hashed things out after the game because they were likely focused on the game itself. The 3rd guy either had a legitimate excuse or he didn't. And the assignor will make that determination in future considerations for playoff assignments.

just another ref Sun Feb 28, 2010 07:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 665423)
My guess is that the 2 officials who WERE there on time felt comfortable enough to proceed with the 2 they had. Big difference from 1 of 2 showing up late. They probably hashed things out after the game because they were likely focused on the game itself. The 3rd guy either had a legitimate excuse or he didn't. And the assignor will make that determination in future considerations for playoff assignments.

Without a doubt the two guys were comfortable without him. My thought was that "better late than never" does not apply in a case like this. Apparently he had been in contact. The referee said that the third guy was late but that he was coming. If I'm on either side of this I would suggest that the game just be left in the hands of two. Others may disagree.

26 Year Gap Sun Feb 28, 2010 07:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 665427)
Without a doubt the two guys were comfortable without him. My thought was that "better late than never" does not apply in a case like this. Apparently he had been in contact. The referee said that the third guy was late but that he was coming. If I'm on either side of this I would suggest that the game just be left in the hands of two. Others may disagree.

Apparently there were at least 2 who disagreed.

just another ref Sun Feb 28, 2010 08:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 665428)
Apparently there were at least 2 who disagreed.

At least one, anyway. "Don't worry, guys. I'll be there."

Adam Sun Feb 28, 2010 08:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 665432)
At least one, anyway. "Don't worry, guys. I'll be there."

I'd say there were three who disagreed, but it may have come to a vote. Frankly, if it was me, and the guy had a good reason, I'd have no problem letting him join midway. If he didn't have a good reason, I'd work it with two.

just another ref Sun Feb 28, 2010 08:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 665433)
I'd say there were three who disagreed, but it may have come to a vote. Frankly, if it was me, and the guy had a good reason, I'd have no problem letting him join midway. If he didn't have a good reason, I'd work it with two.

Whether he had a good reason or not, I wouldn't attempt to tell him he couldn't call, no matter how late he arrived. But if I talked to him and he estimated he would arrive a half hour after tipoff and asked my opinion, I would tell him not to bother.

BillyMac Sun Feb 28, 2010 08:52pm

You Don't Have To Go Home, But You Can't Stay Here ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 665409)
I'll just leave it up to the moderators. Eventually the post will be closed, certainly with justification, after all, this thread has really moved away from the basketball arena. What's the line we have to cross? And I thought Airplane! had the best quotes? Boy was I wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 665416)
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 665417)
I think you're the greatest, but my Dad says you don't work hard enough on defense.

I believe that we have now crossed the line, moving from off topic comments on one movie, to off topic comments on another movie. OK moderators, go ahead and close it down as soon as just another ref and Snaqwells finish making their pertinent on topic comments.

just another ref Sun Feb 28, 2010 08:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 665441)
I believe that we have now crossed the line, moving from off topic comments on one movie, to off topic comments on another movie. OK moderators, go ahead and close it down as soon as just another ref and Snaqwells finish making their pertinent on topic comments.

Snaqwells and I often make pertinent comments for days on end....weeks even.

BillyMac Sun Feb 28, 2010 09:34pm

Turn Out The Lights ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 665444)
Snaqwells and I often make pertinent comments for days on end, weeks even.

OK moderators. It's enough. Shut it down, now. Please.

Surely you can't be serious.
I am serious, and don't call me Shirley.

I'm out of control. I can't stop. Help. Put me out of my misery.

Judtech Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 665416)
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

"Ecuse me, Stewardess? I speak jive"

Still has nothing on Fletch and Caddyshack

Now back o my gladiator movies

Adam Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 665441)
I believe that we have now crossed the line, moving from off topic comments on one movie, to off topic comments on another movie. OK moderators, go ahead and close it down as soon as just another ref and Snaqwells finish making their pertinent on topic comments.

When I start quoting Hannah Montana, it'll be time to close my account. Until then, you're a member of this crew. Can you face some unpleasant facts?

mbyron Mon Mar 01, 2010 08:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 665465)
When I start quoting Hannah Montana, it'll be time to close my account. Until then, you're a member of this crew. Can you face some unpleasant facts?

An officials' forum? What is it?

It's a piece of software that hosts inane rules discussions, but that's not important right now.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:21pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1