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Rita C Sat Feb 27, 2010 01:11am

Ball lodged on rim
 
When the ball lodges between the rim and the backboard, the ball is put back into play using alternating possession unless a free throw or throw in follows.

So, I started thinking about the various scenarios. First of two free throws=shoot the second free throw. Final free throw=alternating possession.

But....since the ball usually lodges on a try attempt, when would a throw-in follow?

Some I came up with:

A1 is shooter, A2 fouls B2.

A1 is shooter, B2 fouls A2 before bonus is in effect.

I had more the other day while working but now at the computer....

Rita

mutantducky Sat Feb 27, 2010 03:19am

had this happen yesterday shooting around. Only done it a few times. Ball comes to a REST on the rim backboard side. just stops up there. I love when that happens.:) Except when I don't feel like jumping after it on a cold day.:(
AP or could a player jump up and hit it?

deecee Sat Feb 27, 2010 06:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rita C (Post 665195)
When the ball lodges between the rim and the backboard, the ball is put back into play using alternating possession unless a free throw or throw in follows.

So, I started thinking about the various scenarios. First of two free throws=shoot the second free throw. Final free throw=alternating possession.

But....since the ball usually lodges on a try attempt, when would a throw-in follow?

Some I came up with:

A1 is shooter, A2 fouls B2.

A1 is shooter, B2 fouls A2 before bonus is in effect.

I had more the other day while working but now at the computer....

Rita

i dont understand what your scenarios have to do with the ball being stuck betweeen or on the rim. if A1 shoots and A2 fouls B2 what would you do? whether or not the ball gets stuck anywhere doesnt change anything.

APG Sat Feb 27, 2010 08:29am

A1 is shooting two free throws for a flagrant/intentional/technical foul. Second shot becomes lodged on the rim. Throw-in for A follows in all situations so the AP arrow is not used.

mbyron Sat Feb 27, 2010 08:32am

You don't use the AP arrow when a throw-in pass lodges.

Adam Sat Feb 27, 2010 09:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mutantducky (Post 665215)
had this happen yesterday shooting around. Only done it a few times. Ball comes to a REST on the rim backboard side. just stops up there. I love when that happens.:) Except when I don't feel like jumping after it on a cold day.:(
AP or could a player jump up and hit it?

If a player jumps up to get it, it's BI.

The reason for AP is that you have a ball that has become dead without team control or an ensuing FT or TI.

just another ref Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 665228)
If a player jumps up to get it, it's BI.

The reason for AP is that you have a ball that has become dead without team control or an ensuing FT or TI.

If the ball had come to rest, it would already be dead, so no BI.

BillyMac Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:05pm

It Can Happen ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 665247)
If the ball had come to rest, it would already be dead, so no BI.

How long do you wait to see if it will go in? Hey, a big truck might drive by the gym? It's not going to stay up there forever, with plate tectonics, tornadoes, hurricanes, meteorites, etc.

just another ref Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 665249)
How long do you wait to see if it will go in? Hey, a big truck might drive by the gym? It's not going to stay up there forever, with plate tectonics, tornadoes, hurricanes, meteorites, etc.

At rest means not moving, does it not? If the ball is sitting on the flange with no visible movement, no spin, no nothing, it is dead.

The lodged ball is an easier decision.

BillyMac Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:16pm

Stop The Bus, I'm Getting Off ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 665252)
At rest means not moving, does it not? If the ball is sitting on the flange with no visible movement, no spin, no nothing, it is dead.

The Earth is rotating around its axis. The Earth is revolving around the Sun. We are also moving with the Sun around the center of our galaxy and moving with our galaxy as it drifts through intergalactic space. And just another ref, BillyMac, and the ball, are all going along for the ride. Simple astrophysics... OK... Just astrophysics. Not very simnple.

SAJ Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mutantducky (Post 665215)
had this happen yesterday shooting around. Only done it a few times. Ball comes to a REST on the rim backboard side. just stops up there. I love when that happens.:) Except when I don't feel like jumping after it on a cold day.:(
AP or could a player jump up and hit it?

a ball at rest on the flange is the same as the ball lodged between backboard and rim...AP, in the case

just another ref Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 665255)
The Earth is rotating around its axis. The Earth is revolving around the Sun. We are also moving with the Sun around the center of our galaxy and moving with our galaxy as it drifts through intergalactic space. And just another ref, BillyMac, and the ball, are all going along for the ride. Simple astrophysics... OK... Just astrophysics. Not very simnple.

You having one of them '60's & '70's flashback things, Billy?

BillyMac Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:44pm

Right Now I'm Wearing My Nehru Jacket ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 665262)
You having one of them '60's & '70's flashback things, Billy?

It's all so groovy. I'm tripping out, man.

Adam Sat Feb 27, 2010 07:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 665247)
If the ball had come to rest, it would already be dead, so no BI.

I was answering the mut's question about whether we should go AP (which requires calling a dead ball) or allow a player to go up and get it and continue play.

It's either-or. Either it's dead ball/AP or it's BI.


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