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phansen Fri Feb 26, 2010 07:41am

1000th point
 
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It is agreed upon before the game by both coaches that when Team A's #12 reaches her 1000th point the game will be stopped and she will be recognized. About 10 minutes into the game she scores her 5th point of the game, and 1000th of her career. The horn sounds and she is recognized. the entire episode takes about 1 minute after which we resume play. No problem so far
About 8 minutes into the second half team B's coach asks for, and is granted a time out. an assistant asks the scorer how many time outs the other team has. He thought Team A should have been charged with a time out for the 1000 point ceremony. I said no, they would not be charged a time out because that is not something we had talked about before the game. Anyone else had this situation? What have you done?

mbyron Fri Feb 26, 2010 07:56am

"Official's time out, coach. I had to tie my shoe. Let's go."

bas2456 Fri Feb 26, 2010 08:22am

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Originally Posted by phansen (Post 664972)
NFHS

It is agreed upon before the game by both coaches that when Team A's #12 reaches her 1000th point the game will be stopped and she will be recognized. About 10 minutes into the game she scores her 5th point of the game, and 1000th of her career. The horn sounds and she is recognized. the entire episode takes about 1 minute after which we resume play. No problem so far
About 8 minutes into the second half team B's coach asks for, and is granted a time out. an assistant asks the scorer how many time outs the other team has. He thought Team A should have been charged with a time out for the 1000 point ceremony. I said no, they would not be charged a time out because that is not something we had talked about before the game. Anyone else had this situation? What have you done?

When I was a senior in high school, one of our guards was injured for the entire year. On Senior Night, it was apparently agreed on for him to take the "jump ball", so he could be honored for his contributions to the program.

Point is, if both coaches agree to something ceremonious to honor a player like that, who are we to say no? This is all about the kids anyway, right?

bas2456 Fri Feb 26, 2010 08:24am

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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 664977)
When I was a senior in high school, one of our guards was injured for the entire year. On Senior Night, it was apparently agreed on for him to take the "jump ball", so he could be honored for his contributions to the program.

Point is, if both coaches agree to something ceremonious like that to honor a player like that, who are we to say no? This is all about the kids anyway, right?

Sorry to quote myself, but I just thought of something else.

What would you do in this situation?

A1 needs 5 points for 1,000 in her career. With 25 seconds left in a tie game, she scores her 5th point to give her team the lead by two. Say Team B has no timeouts left. Are you stopping the game then?

Jurassic Referee Fri Feb 26, 2010 08:58am

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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 664978)
What would you do in this situation?

A1 needs 5 points for 1,000 in her career. With 25 seconds left in a tie game, she scores her 5th point to give her team the lead by two. Say Team B has no timeouts left. Are you stopping the game then?

If agreed upon by both coachs before the game, yes. If not, no.

Put the onus where it belongs. If someone wants to whine, it's "hey, you agreed to it."

bob jenkins Fri Feb 26, 2010 08:59am

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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 664978)
Sorry to quote myself, but I just thought of something else.

What would you do in this situation?

A1 needs 5 points for 1,000 in her career. With 25 seconds left in a tie game, she scores her 5th point to give her team the lead by two. Say Team B has no timeouts left. Are you stopping the game then?

I ask the coaches when the subject is first mentioned whether we will stop whenever the points are scored, or only if this happens in the first three quarters, or there will be a ceremony at the next natural stop (violation or foul or TO ..), etc.

Get it clear up front.

grunewar Fri Feb 26, 2010 09:02am

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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 664978)
Sorry to quote myself, but I just thought of something else.

What would you do in this situation?

A1 needs 5 points for 1,000 in her career. With 25 seconds left in a tie game, she scores her 5th point to give her team the lead by two. Say Team B has no timeouts left. Are you stopping the game then?

If I'm the B Coach and have not timeouts and A stops the game for the agreed to ceremony, I am very thankful and gather my folks together and do what I need to do.....while A goea about their business.

Better question is, what do you let the A Coach get away with in the same situation? Do they get to huddle?

Mark Padgett Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:59am

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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 664978)
What would you do in this situation?

A1 needs 5 points for 1,000 in her career. With 25 seconds left in a tie game, she scores her 5th point to give her team the lead by two. Say Team B has no timeouts left. Are you stopping the game then?

Depends on the point spread. :cool:

KJUmp Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:21am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 664985)
If agreed upon by both coachs before the game, yes. If not, no.

Put the onus where it belongs. If someone wants to whine, it's "hey, you agreed to it."

That is how we are directed to do it in our state. Both coaches must agree.

tjones1 Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:23pm

I've had it happen twice.

Coaches let us know before the game. When it was reached, the horn sounded and play the killed. When the announcement was over, play continued with the other team inbounding the ball with no pressure.

Pretty simple.

KJ: I'd like to officiate a game with a coach who wouldn't agree... that'd be interesting. ;)

A Pennsylvania Coach Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:26pm

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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 664978)
Sorry to quote myself, but I just thought of something else.

What would you do in this situation?

A1 needs 5 points for 1,000 in her career. With 25 seconds left in a tie game, she scores her 5th point to give her team the lead by two. Say Team B has no timeouts left. Are you stopping the game then?

I had this once while coaching. Christmas tournament final, and one of my stars is 25 points away. She averaged about 14 so it seemed unlikely, plus our next game was at home which is the best place to do it. But just in case, I discussed it with the opposing coach and the officials. End of regulation and it is 46-46 and my star has 21 points. First trip down she scores. I turn to the clock guy who is also the host AD and give him the "cut it" sign and he nods. After a couple empty trips, she scores again to put us up 50-46 with maybe 1:30 left, and that's 1,000. After a couple more possessions there is a timeout and he makes an announcement. The parents save the flowers until after the game, which we won 55-48.

To make up for it, we honored her before the next game, and then again during it when she got her 1,000th rebound.

GoodwillRef Fri Feb 26, 2010 01:17pm

Do we all forget that this is a kid's game and most high school players never get close to 1000 points and if we can't stop the game for one minute what does that say about us as a society. It is all about sportsmanship...but that is a word that has been lost in/on most gyms, field, and diamonds!!!

Adam Fri Feb 26, 2010 01:22pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 665070)
Do we all forget that this is a kid's game and most high school players never get close to 1000 points and if we can't stop the game for one minute what does that say about us as a society.

1. No one here objects to stopping the game.

2. I don't think it says anything in particular about our society one way or the other.

Jurassic Referee Fri Feb 26, 2010 01:31pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 665070)
Do we all forget that this is a kid's game and most high school players never get close to 1000 points and if we can't stop the game for one minute what does that say about us as a society. It is all about sportsmanship...but that is a word that has been lost in/on most gyms, field, and diamonds!!!

Shouldn't you be telling both opposing head coachs this, and not us?

It's got dick-all to do with the officials. and we sureasheck shouldn't be lectured for something that we have nothing to do with. We enforce sportsmanship under the rules that we are given. We're doing our job. We can't make up our own rules to indiscriminately stop games though.

bas2456 Fri Feb 26, 2010 02:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 665070)
Do we all forget that this is a kid's game and most high school players never get close to 1000 points and if we can't stop the game for one minute what does that say about us as a society. It is all about sportsmanship...but that is a word that has been lost in/on most gyms, field, and diamonds!!!

I have no problem with honoring kids for their accomplishments. I said earlier, it's all about the kids.

I think there are some logistical issues that go along with when the ceremony takes place that must be ironed out before hand. I like the idea of stopping the game only if the accomplishment happens in the first three quarters.

Mark Padgett Fri Feb 26, 2010 03:03pm

They stopped the game and threw me a ceremony when I tossed my 1000th coach. Wish I had it on video.

deecee Fri Feb 26, 2010 04:46pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 665070)
Do we all forget that this is a kid's game and most high school players never get close to 1000 points and if we can't stop the game for one minute what does that say about us as a society. It is all about sportsmanship...but that is a word that has been lost in/on most gyms, field, and diamonds!!!

I dont understand this "Its all for the kids nonsense" I think that really ended many moons ago. In fact I think the kids are the farthest thing this is for.

DLH17 Fri Feb 26, 2010 05:14pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 665122)
I dont understand this "Its all for the kids nonsense" I think that really ended many moons ago. In fact I think the kids are the farthest thing this is for.

I think a part of the reason we do this is "for the kids". It's fun watching kids develop their games over the years. I'm officiating kids that are playing 8th grade ball since they were 8 years old in 3rd grade when I was a rookie. Kinda cool.

Other reasons why I officiate (in no particular order):

- excercise
- money
- love being around the game
- fraternity
- addicted to improving

Mark Padgett Fri Feb 26, 2010 05:19pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 665122)
I dont understand this "Its all for the kids nonsense" I think that really ended many moons ago. In fact I think the kids are the farthest thing this is for.

I think you make a good point here. A lot of parents I see think it's definitely for them - unfortunately. :(

fullor30 Fri Feb 26, 2010 05:26pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 665108)
They stopped the game and threw me a ceremony when I tossed my 1000th coach. Wish I had it on video.

I recently had my 1,000 beer at lunch prior to 1,000 7:30 tipoffs.

ASDF slashed my tires in the parking lot

Adam Fri Feb 26, 2010 05:27pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 665136)
I recently had my 1,000 beer at lunch prior to 1,000 7:30 tipoffs.

ASDF slashed my tires in the parking lot

Why did you do that? Had you just won a gold medal?

Welpe Fri Feb 26, 2010 05:32pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 665136)
I recently had my 1,000 beer at lunch prior to 1,000 7:30 tipoffs.

ASDF slashed my tires in the parking lot

This was a single season milestone, right?

BillyMac Fri Feb 26, 2010 09:01pm

They Now Come In Patent Leather ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 664973)
"Official's time out, coach. I had to tie my shoe. Let's go."

What? You don't have those New Balance Velcro Official Shoes?

BillyMac Fri Feb 26, 2010 09:11pm

You're Outta Here ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 665108)
They stopped the game and threw me a ceremony when I tossed my 1000th coach. Wish I had it on video.

Found it: YouTube - Bobby Cox Gets Tossed...Again!

BillyMac Fri Feb 26, 2010 09:29pm

Stuck On 999 ???
 
Team A is playing it's last game of the season. It didn't have enough wins to make either the conference, or state, tournament, so this is their last game of the season, win, or lose. Senior captain A1 needs twenty-one points to score 1000 points in his high school career, and both the officials, and the Team B head coach are informed that a ceremony will take place when that milestone is reached, at which time Team A will use one of their timeouts to stop the game. Both coaches and the officials agree to this. Team A is losing by fifteen points with seconds to play in the fourth period. A1 now has eighteen points in the game. A1 drives down the lane, gets fouled in the act of shooting, releases the ball, and with the ball in flight, the buzzer sounds to end the game. The ball goes in the basket. Team B now leads by thirteen points. Lead official sounds his whistle for the foul a fraction of a second after the final buzzer sounds. A1 now has 999 career points.

NFHS 5-6: Each quarter or extra period ends when the signal illuminates or sounds indicating time has expired. EXCEPTIONS: 3. No free throw(s) shall be attempted after time has expired for the fourth quarter or any extra period, unless the point(s) would affect the outcome of the game.

What's an official to do?

26 Year Gap Fri Feb 26, 2010 09:53pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 665175)
Team A is playing it's last game of the season. It didn't have enough wins to make either the conference, or state, tournament, so this is their last game of the season, win, or lose. Senior captain A1 needs twenty-one points to score 1000 points in his high school career, and both the officials, and the Team B head coach are informed that a ceremony will take place when that milestone is reached, at which time Team A will use one of their timeouts to stop the game. Both coaches and the officials agree to this. Team A is losing by fifteen points with seconds to play in the fourth period. A1 now has eighteen points in the game. A1 drives down the lane, gets fouled in the act of shooting, releases the ball, and with the ball in flight, the buzzer sounds to end the game. The ball goes in the basket. Team B now leads by thirteen points. Lead official sounds his whistle for the foul a fraction of a second after the final buzzer sounds. A1 now has 999 career points.

NFHS 5-6: Each quarter or extra period ends when the signal illuminates or sounds indicating time has expired. EXCEPTIONS: 3. No free throw(s) shall be attempted after time has expired for the fourth quarter or any extra period, unless the point(s) would affect the outcome of the game.

What's an official to do?

Wonder how many FTs A1 missed during the season.

JugglingReferee Sat Feb 27, 2010 01:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by phansen (Post 664972)
NFHS

It is agreed upon before the game by both coaches that when Team A's #12 reaches her 1000th point the game will be stopped and she will be recognized. About 10 minutes into the game she scores her 5th point of the game, and 1000th of her career. The horn sounds and she is recognized. the entire episode takes about 1 minute after which we resume play. No problem so far
About 8 minutes into the second half team B's coach asks for, and is granted a time out. an assistant asks the scorer how many time outs the other team has. He thought Team A should have been charged with a time out for the 1000 point ceremony. I said no, they would not be charged a time out because that is not something we had talked about before the game. Anyone else had this situation? What have you done?

No way A is charged a TO for this.

It sounds to me that the B HC didn't keep the B AC in the loop. The B AC also should be going through his HC for things like this.

JugglingReferee Sat Feb 27, 2010 01:26am

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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 664978)
Sorry to quote myself, but I just thought of something else.

What would you do in this situation?

A1 needs 5 points for 1,000 in her career. With 25 seconds left in a tie game, she scores her 5th point to give her team the lead by two. Say Team B has no timeouts left. Are you stopping the game then?

What did the coach agree to?

JugglingReferee Sat Feb 27, 2010 01:29am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 665108)
They stopped the game and threw me a ceremony when I tossed my 1000th coach. Wish I had it on video.

Probably did the same on your 1,000th game, too. "Mr. Mark Padgett has not allowed a game to go to overtime in his entire career folks - that's 32,000 playing minutes." :eek:

JugglingReferee Sat Feb 27, 2010 01:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 665175)
Team A is playing it's last game of the season. It didn't have enough wins to make either the conference, or state, tournament, so this is their last game of the season, win, or lose. Senior captain A1 needs twenty-one points to score 1000 points in his high school career, and both the officials, and the Team B head coach are informed that a ceremony will take place when that milestone is reached, at which time Team A will use one of their timeouts to stop the game. Both coaches and the officials agree to this. Team A is losing by fifteen points with seconds to play in the fourth period. A1 now has eighteen points in the game. A1 drives down the lane, gets fouled in the act of shooting, releases the ball, and with the ball in flight, the buzzer sounds to end the game. The ball goes in the basket. Team B now leads by thirteen points. Lead official sounds his whistle for the foul a fraction of a second after the final buzzer sounds. A1 now has 999 career points.

NFHS 5-6: Each quarter or extra period ends when the signal illuminates or sounds indicating time has expired. EXCEPTIONS: 3. No free throw(s) shall be attempted after time has expired for the fourth quarter or any extra period, unless the point(s) would affect the outcome of the game.

What's an official to do?

Find an unsporting T on B somewhere? :eek:

Welpe Sat Feb 27, 2010 02:46am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 665207)
Find an unsporting T on B somewhere? :eek:

That's going to be a lot of unsporting Ts.

just another ref Sat Feb 27, 2010 03:01am

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 665180)
Wonder how many FTs A1 missed during the season.

Or during the career.


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