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Wacked by coach
Girls first round varsity tournament game. Coaches have been pretty excitable the whole game as it was close most of the game. Home team is in the process of blowing their 4th quarter lead and the "coach speak" is escalating. Home team is up one with 18 sec to to and the visiting team takes misses a three gets the rebound and eventually hits a tough three from the corner fading into the stands. Place goes nuts (lots of visiting fans).
I was the center with my back to the benches and the home coach must have been trying to call a time out which I could not hear. My parter "the lead" comes out as he could see him and gives him is timeout with 6 sec. on the game clock. He is down by 1 now and pissed of course. I am at the table double checking the fouls and time outs. As he heads back to his bench he wacks my arm out of the way in disgust as he goes by. Guys, I just bit my tounge and glared at him. If I bang him there, obviously its two shot and the ball for the visiting team and no last second try for him, or in other words "BALL GAME". No tech called, they miss the last second try, we (MASS) do not stay for any handshakes. As we are leaving the gym with the AD, he follows us down the stairs towards the locker room screaming "what a disgrace......" and this with some of his girls with him. I know we give a little more leeway during "tournament" games and like to let the players decide the outcome etc., but what would you guys have done. We have written him up to the MIAA and his AD. |
I haven't worked a playoff game, so take it for what it's worth; I'd have stuck him.
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Striking an official? If anything were automatic... |
I have worked a playoff and wouldn't think twice about it, Touching an official = Technical (perhaps ejection)
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I've worked a few playoff games in my day, and I would have stuck him instantly. Just because it's the playoffs doesn't mean that they get to get away with crap like that.
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I whack him no remorse.
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He would have been gone to the locker room if it was me. I view that as an automatic ejection if you strike an official intentionally. It would be like striking a cop when he handed you a ticket.
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Congratulations on the playoff assignment. I have 2 things to note.
1.) I would work on improving your situational awareness. You were the table side official in a situation where a team was extremely likely to be looking for a time-out. As soon as that shot went through the hoop, you should have been looking at him to grant the time-out. That is the only play in town for the table side C after the ball goes in. If you get it right away, as opposed to your partner who is 60 feet from the coach having to get it, you probably save yourself the second situation. 2.) As described, if he "disgustedly" hit your arm on purpose, that is an easy technical foul. |
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I have worked playoffs and that has no bearing on what I would have done.
If i was 100% sure he did what you said he did he's gone. I dont care if its the championship game with .1 seconds on the clock and his team is UP by 1. If I am not 100% sure his intentions its a T at the minimum. But this is unacceptable coach/official contact. **disclaimer** if it were a she and she did that to slip her number in my pocket and she were cute - I might just let her off with a warning (I KID - I KID):D |
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Anytime a coach "expects" a TO just because they "ask" for one the only thing they should "expect" is NOTHING. In a loud gym you cannot hear them. Coaches KNOW that not only do they yell for a TO but they also make the universal T with their hands and jump up and down on the sideline if THEY REALLY WANT IT THAT bad. just my 2 cents. you cannot reason with unreasonable people. |
Its easy for me to come on here and say "I would have..." when I wasn't there. I know, I know -- we (including me) do that all the time on here.
However, I understand the hesitation. Would I have stuck him? Given the great description by the OP (it clearly gave me a picture to put myself into), I have to give a firm...I don't know. Probably, but then again, maybe not. I hate to sound wishy washy, but I'm just being honest. Not that it matters if you are doing the right thing, but the biggest problem you have in issuing a technical here is not so much deciding the game but giving him an excuse to blame you. Again, we don't run from the right thing, at least not hopefully, but we aren't computers; we make decisions where there is no one right answer. On the other hand, intentional physical contact is totally unacceptable. He needs to be severely reprimanded regardless of what your actions were after it happened. If he's not, then we've got a huge problem. One of the things to learn from this is that you need to pregame late game situations. I talk about the official opposite the table (3 man) ALWAYS looking toward the bench areas after ANY made basket in the last minute to pick up a called timeout. If the C is table-side, he or she is now laser focused on the players while the T watches the benches. Report his ***, discuss the play with other officials and learn from it. |
I mean if the coach was hot...........:D
I work with some coaches who are "touchy feely". Put a hand on your shoulder etc. I address them politely and ask them not to do that, and haven't had a problem with it. I had one coach try to whack me in the butt after I made a call against his team (He also said Good Call) and hit me RIGHT in my scar. OUCH. I asked him not to do it again!! As it sounds here, this was a coach just being an ***. It is unfortunate that his actions would cost his team the game. Assuming the other team made their free throws!!! Not that I would put money on him being on the bench to witness them!!! |
At a minimum....a T....quite likely Flagrant.
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Intentionally striking an official? .....flagrant T and send the report. Depending on the nature of contact and atttitude, here they could get hit with a gross unsportsmanlike conduct by the state association. Penalties are serious - major fines, suspension for extended periods of time, or even permanently being barred from coaching.....it would depend on the nature of the act, prior history of problems, etc.
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WHACK! Coach, will have a 6 second head start to the showers.
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Totally unacceptable behavior. The @ss deserved a T.
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How can you let that happen, and then stand there and go through this process in your head of...'well if I bang him here, it's two shots and the ball for the visiting team and no last second shot for him and thats the ball game'??? So what would have happened if the home team scored to win or send the game into OT and the visiting coach goes nuts and makes contact with you or one of your partners? Oh, it's tournament time...we give them more leeway. I'm sorry...bad job. You/crew should have known that if V scored, H would very likely be looking for a T/O...and as lpneck posted...you were in C tableside...in that spot it's your job to be ready to grant a quick T/O. On the coach "whacking your arm out of the way in in disgust"...that you did not T him up and eject him...gutless. You let your crew and a lot of other officials in your area down. |
I'm not sure I could have prevented myself from assessing the T once he struck me. But, this coach has played the entire schedule with this team, took them to the tournament, and didn't have the foresight to have a senior or captain on the floor prepared to request the time out in this situation?
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Yeah, you should have T him with a Flagrant. Best thing about it is you most likely had video from the game to back you up. Around here, if you have a situation in the tourney, and you don't apply the correct foul, be it intentional foul, technical or what have you and you explain to the observer that you didn't want to make that call because you didn't want it to decide the outcome of the game, you can forget moving up and most likely you would be moving down.
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Whack, get out!
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WHACK! Buh-bye
Oh, and coach, in Ohio that's a $100 fine by the OHSAA, a two game suspension, and a mandatory on-line coaching ethics class before you can step back on the floor. Enjoy your vacation. :D |
I think you could even make a case that he assaulted you. Here in Oregon, assault on a sports official is a class A misdemeanor and will be prosecuted (all counties in the state prosecute class A misdemeanors), which could even result in jail time. Cool!
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Whack! Get out! |
I agree 100% with the posters who have suggested that, based upon the facts as you related them, the proper thing to do was to whack him and launch him.
I disagree strongly with the one or two posters who have suggested that your failure to do so was "gutless". A million things run through your mind in that situation, and it's easy for those of us sitting in front of our computers to come up with the correct response. I understand that you would prefer not to "take the game away from the players". With experience, you will come to appreciate that it was the coach, and not the officials, who was guilty of doing so. Sometimes we can overlook an emotional verbal reaction in a situation such as the one you presented. Physical contact is another animal entirely. You can never, ever allow a coach or player to lay hands on you in anger or disgust. Whack him, toss him, write him up, and move on to your next game. |
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But I was wondering if had gone to the table to check with the book which is still a T, right? |
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The "bench area" only extends 28' from the end line. And, even if we give the coach some leeway (and we do and we should), there's no way he should be making contact with an official at the table. This is especially true if the official goes to the table after the TO has been reported. |
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