Have you seen these slow motion examples of traveling?

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you have to slow things down that much to see if there is a violation, then they are not good calls to make.

Peace

I agree with Jeff as far as IF you have to slow things down this much to see, it probably is not a good call to make. On the other hand, I think that the use of slow motion video can be very effective as a learning tool.

For example, many spin moves and other moves with the ball "don't look right", yet, we should NOT make a travel call simply because it "looks" like a travel. We can make use of slow motion replays to view those types of plays to be able to ascertain when there IS a bonafide travel and when a play that "looks" like one actually isn't.

Once we realize a strange looking play is/isn't a travel in slow motion, we can look at that same play at real speed KNOWING whether it is or isn't a travel to better train our eyes to ONLY make the travel call when the play "looks" like a travel and ACTUALLY IS a travel.

[Rich]

Even slowed down, I only have a travel on the last one. The ball only needs to start to the floor before the pivot foot is lifted. I think that's satisfied well enough on the others. At real speed (where we work) these don't look even close to being traveling violations.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Even slowed down, I only have a travel on the last one. The ball only needs to start to the floor before the pivot foot is lifted. I think that's satisfied well enough on the others. At real speed (where we work) these don't look even close to being traveling violations.

Doesn't it have to be released? I haven't seen the video, but this statement made me think I might have the rule wrong.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Doesn't it have to be released? I haven't seen the video, but this statement made me think I might have the rule wrong.

I bet that "released" is what Rich had in mind that would allow the ball to "start to the floor."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I bet that "released" is what Rich had in mind that would allow the ball to "start to the floor."

I figured as much. Maybe I should shut up and watch the video.

[Adam]

I have travels on them all, but it's apparently just me. To me, they all lift their pivot foot before the ball is released for the dribble. The only difference with the last one is that he actually puts the pivot foot back down before releasing the dribble.

[Pantherdreams]

After slo mo video replay they are all ovbiously. Travels.

At game speed I'm not sure I pick up on 1 or 2. Though if I do my guess is that they and the rest of the team are going to be travelling if I call them.

3/4 there are so many footwork issues with changing pivot feet after a 1-2 stop, back foot lifting, pivot foot hoops . .. travels galore in each of these. Again though I'm not privy to the level of footwork in the rest of the game so I wait to see if I need to call everybody or just him before the whistle blows.

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Even slowed down, I only have a travel on the last one. The ball only needs to start to the floor before the pivot foot is lifted. I think that's satisfied well enough on the others. At real speed (where we work) these don't look even close to being traveling violations.

Agree,
I watched this 3 times and thought I had lost my mind because I only could really see the last one as a travel.

[SAJ]

You'd have traveling violations everytime down the floor if you're calling all of these.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

I agree with Jeff as far as IF you have to slow things down this much to see, it probably is not a good call to make. On the other hand, I think that the use of slow motion video can be very effective as a learning tool.

For example, many spin moves and other moves with the ball "don't look right", yet, we should NOT make a travel call simply because it "looks" like a travel. We can make use of slow motion replays to view those types of plays to be able to ascertain when there IS a bonafide travel and when a play that "looks" like one actually isn't.

Once we realize a strange looking play is/isn't a travel in slow motion, we can look at that same play at real speed KNOWING whether it is or isn't a travel to better train our eyes to ONLY make the travel call when the play "looks" like a travel and ACTUALLY IS a travel.

I did not say you cannot slow things down on video to see a play. I said that if you have to slow things down and that is the only way to determine by a split second if an actual violation takes place, then in reality it is not a good call. I use video replay all the time in classes or meetings and it is often that we might get a slow motion replay. If I have to look to see if a pivot foot moved slightly before the ball was released, then I think you will have a lot of travels in fast speed that might be wrong or inconsistent. Now I call a lot of these kinds of travels where the pivot foot is moved before a dribble, but those are very obvious and I would not need a tape to call those. You want to call the obvious travels, not what looks slightly bad.

Peace