i should know these answers, but...

[representing]

Originally Posted by drshawnpet

Greetings!

New to the site -- already addicted!

2 questions:

A) When are properly reported subs beckoned to court when 2 FTs are being administered for a technical foul?

B) Is it allowable for a team to use both baskets for warm-ups once one team has retreated to locker room for last-minute instructions prior to a game? Doesn't rules book state something about warming up at basket opposite the bench prior to game? I see this done all the time but not sure it's technically allowed?

Thank you for any replies!

A) I might be quoting it wrong but it is before the last of the shots that is live. So 1-and-1, it would be the first shot since that could be the last live shot. 2, after the first shot... 3, after the second shot.

B) in NFHS, no they cannot not. In college ball though, I see this done all the time so I'm assuming it is allowed but I'm not a college ref. But once the team comes back out they have to retreat back to their half of the court.

[drshawnpet]

Sorry, I should have specified NFHS in OP...

[representing]

Originally Posted by drshawnpet

Sorry, I should have specified NFHS in OP...

Nah, most of the discussions with regards to rules is usually NFHS, and sometimes FIBA (which I'm not familiar with). Sometimes College rules come into play, but usually only when someone brings up an NCAA game that was on TV and ask about a certain play or whatnot.

Welcome to the board!

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by drshawnpet

Greetings!



A) When are properly reported subs beckoned to court when 2 FTs are being administered for a technical foul?

Originally Posted by representing

A) I might be quoting it wrong but it is before the last of the shots that is live. So 1-and-1, it would be the first shot since that could be the last live shot. 2, after the first shot... 3, after the second shot.

Before the last of the shots that is live?

Let's puzzle on that one a bit.

First the language of that sentence. What the hell does it mean?

Next, which shot on a technical foul is "live?"

[representing]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Before the last of the shots that is live?

Let's puzzle on that one a bit.

First the language of that sentence. What the hell does it mean?

Next, which shot on a technical foul is "live?"

Did I not say I probably have the wording wrong? Thank you

[representing]

had it packed away but I dug the rulebook out. This is what I was trying to say:

3-3-1c:

During multiple free throws resulting from personal fouls, substitutions may be made only before the final attempt in the sequence and after the final attempt has been converted.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by representing

had it packed away but I dug the rulebook out. This is what I was trying to say:

3-3-1c:

During multiple free throws resulting from personal fouls, substitutions may be made only before the final attempt in the sequence and after the final attempt has been converted.

Yet the question in the OP remains unanswered.

[representing]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Yet the question in the OP remains unanswered.

ah, you're right. Didn't see "technical".

I've looked through the rulebook, can't seem to find the answer for this one. I think you would wait until all FTs are administered, then beckon the subs before the throw-in.

[representing]

Ok, I am correcting myself on this one.

During Technical FTs, subs can be made before the first shot, or at any time in between shots, and after the shots are taken. Any substitutes can also attempt the Technical Free Throws.

[Back In The Saddle]

You have to infer the answer to the first question from NFHS 8-3: "The free throws awarded because of a technical foul may be attempted by any player of the offended team, including an eligible substitute or designated starter. The coach or captain shall designate the free thrower(s)."

In order for "an eligible substitute" to attempt the FTs, that substitute must be able to enter the game before either the first or second FT. And since the two free throws may be attempted by different players, it may be required to allow a substitution before both the first and second FT.

As far as I know the rules book only specifies that each team must occupy the bench designated by game management and that they begin the game shooting at the basket farthest from their bench. I know of no rule that specifies that they must warm up at that same basket, although obviously that is how it's done. There is no rule, in the rules book at least, that says that a team cannot warm up at both baskets if the other team leaves the floor. And it's generally accepted that if the rules don't say it's illegal, it's legal. However, I believe the NFHS had something to say on the subject a few years ago, at least in regards to prohibiting teams from running through the other teams warmups, circling the floor, competing over the center circle, etc. And I understand some states have policies on the subject as well. So, in your state, this practice may very well be prohibited.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by representing

A) I might be quoting it wrong but it is before the last of the shots that is live. So 1-and-1, it would be the first shot since that could be the last live shot. 2, after the first shot... 3, after the second shot.

B) in NFHS, no they cannot not. In college ball though, I see this done all the time so I'm assuming it is allowed but I'm not a college ref. But once the team comes back out they have to retreat back to their half of the court.

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[Back In The Saddle]

On an early morning crusade?

[Rich]

In A, the subs can be made anytime -- as said, a sub can enter and take either or both technical free throw, so a substitution needs to be legal there.

In B, check with your local authority. Personally, I hate this practice (one day there will be a brawl that comes from this nonsense), but we have no rule against it here, so I just make sure to be vigilant when the other team returns.

I have more interesting questions, like why the teams always run drills into the one spot on the sideline where I want to stand during warmups?

[drshawnpet]

I appreciate the responses. To be more specific: If no one is entering to shoot the throw(s), and there are some players that had properly reported prior to the tech, when should they be beckoned? Before the 1st? Between throws? After the 2nd? We discussed the other night and had different answers amongst my crew... Just want to do it right, in case anything silly happened during the throws, want to have the correct players on the floor; I don't know if it makes sense to bring them in between throws, since the ball will be dead after the second throw? Anyone know definitively? Thanks for the help!

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by drshawnpet

I appreciate the responses. To be more specific: If no one is entering to shoot the throw(s), and there are some players that had properly reported prior to the tech, when should they be beckoned? Before the 1st? Between throws? After the 2nd? We discussed the other night and had different answers amongst my crew... Just want to do it right, in case anything silly happened during the throws, want to have the correct players on the floor; I don't know if it makes sense to bring them in between throws, since the ball will be dead after the second throw? Anyone know definitively? Thanks for the help!

Common practice for me, I usually wait until the final free-throw..