Backcourt Violation Help

mbyron

Snaqwells wrote
I would say "equally" important, but that's just me. 🙂

Are you sure your position is that, with respect to correctly ruling on a BC violation, the location of the player is just as important as that of the ball?

Adam

mbyron wrote
Are you sure your position is that, with respect to correctly ruling on a BC violation, the location of the player is just as important as that of the ball?

Yes, with regard to the very specific play in question. If you are going to deviate from that play and offer other potential violations, then there could be times when ball location (and previous location) is all that matters.

CDurham

hoopsaddict wrote
Yes you have a backcourt violation when A1 is the first to touch the ball as it goes into the backcourt.

That is what I have. Line is part of it so Backcourt

Adam

CDurham wrote
That is what I have. Line is part of it so Backcourt

Okay, how about this one.
A1 standing in the FC, holding the ball near the division line (table side) with pressure. He looks away from the table and sees teammate A2 standing in the FC near the division line so he reaches over the line and throws a bounces pass to A2. It bounces twice before A2 catches it, standing in the FC. The first bounce is in the BC, and the second bounce is in the FC.

What's the call?

CDurham

Snaqwells wrote
Okay, how about this one.
A1 standing in the FC, holding the ball near the division line (table side) with pressure. He looks away from the table and sees teammate A2 standing in the FC near the division line so he reaches over the line and throws a bounces pass to A2. It bounces twice before A2 catches it, standing in the FC. The first bounce is in the BC, and the second bounce is in the FC.

What's the call?

Nothing if its caught on the 2nd bounce. The ball had Frontcourt status.

If caught on the first, the ball had Backcourt status. Violation

jdw3018

CDurham wrote
Nothing if its caught on the 2nd bounce. The ball had Frontcourt status.

Let's work through this one. I'll answer the first three:

Team control? Yes
Ball had frontcourt status? Yes
A was last to touch before the ball had backcourt status? Yes.

Final question: Was A the first to touch the ball after it had backcourt status?

Adam

Read 9-9-1, then see if you still think it's legal.

CDurham

Snaqwells wrote
Read 9-9-1, then see if you still think it's legal.

Sorry I don't have my books with me. So even though it was caught on the 2nd bounce which hit in the frontcourt it is still a Violation?

Adam

9-9-3 wrote
A player shall not be the first to touch a ball after it has been in team control in the frontcourt, if he/she or a teammate last touched or was touched by the ball in the frontcourt before it went to the backcourt.

You'll note, it doesn't say "first to touch the ball in the backcourt."

just another ref

CDurham wrote
Sorry I don't have my books with me. So even though it was caught on the 2nd bounce which hit in the frontcourt it is still a Violation?

Key phrase: (paraphrasing) Cannot be first to touch ball after it gains backcourt status after having team control in frontcourt.

CDurham

just another ref wrote
Key phrase: (paraphrasing) Cannot be first to touch ball after it gains backcourt status after having team control in frontcourt.

Still a little confused but okay. I sort of get it

jdw3018

CDurham wrote
Still a little confused but okay. I sort of get it

Read these carefully:

A must be the last to touch while the ball has frontcourt status; and

A must be the first to touch after the ball has backcourt status.

You have to read what it says has to happen, and also realize what it doesn't say. A must be the first to touch after the ball has backcourt status, but it doesn't say the ball must still have backcourt status when it's touched.

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