KU @ Texas
 

Thoughts on:
1. Review and intentional technical on Aldrich.
2. Morningstar's FT attempt for Aldrich (fouled out with the T).

I personally don't understand the technical... I thought it looked as though the torso moved with the elbows.

Was Aldrich T a class B then? So they shoot them after the 1-and-1

-Josh

Watching it real time, I'm not so sure the elbows came after the whistle. Seems like they were simultaneous.

Couldn't they just say intentional or flagrant foul then?

I'm not too familiar with NCAA rules...

1. Thought it was probably the right call.

2. That was pretty funny. Don't think I've seen that one before. :)

1. I thought the elbow wasn't swinging faster than the torso. If the fouls occurred the same time, would have gone with the double personal. Apparently they did not. In which case, yes, intentional technical was the right call for dead ball contact.

2. Ref should have whistled it dead as soon as the ball popped out of his hand. Looked like a try. Never seen that happen before.

My take
 

1. The left elbow was purposely swung at the opponent. He extended.
The ball became dead when the player from Texas fouled. The timing of the whistle doesn't matter. Therefore, this is an intentional technical foul. In NCAAM, an INT T for dead ball contact is administered in the order of occurrence, in the NFHS manner, because possession to the opponent at the division line is also awarded.

2. Should have been whistled dead when the thrower's foot broke the plane of the FT line. The loss of the ball is okay as long as he can catch it again without violating.

Agree with your take Nevada. Pretty sure the officials were as caught off guard on the FT attempt as I was!

I watched the second half while loathing my elliptical machine.

There was a drive to the bucket where the player was gathering, fouled, and finished. The official counted the bucket, correctly. Bob Knight, of course, disagreed with this.

Real time I thought, "They'll go to the monitor and call it a dead ball technical foul" and I was right. There have been a few of these the past week and regardless of the player landing on the Kansas player, I *did* think the elbow came around faster than the torso.

I think John Adams wants this contact to be a Technical this year. I do not have my rule books, but I think I saw it on the NCAA pre-season bulletin

I see.

It's the same in NFHS, I looked it up. I agree then.

While the player had ended his dribble, I don't believe that he had done anything to start his shooting motion prior to the foul. I agreed with Knight. This was not a foul in the act of shooting.

He was gathering it to start a shooting motion -- to me, that was part of starting the habitual motion that precedes the release of the ball. Matter of fact, I watched it a second time -- the ball was already in both hands and he was in the process of taking it up.

I'm counting that every time.

You mean like when someone requests and is then granted a timeout? :D

How do you know that he wasn't gathering his dribble to pass?

In my opinion, simply gathering the dribble is not enough. The official needs to see some kind of habitual motion that is part of the shooting action prior to the release of a try in order to award FTs.

Just what I take from the rules.

He didn't pass?

Admittedly, it's a fine line.

I've watched a lot of NCAAM the past few weeks (mostly recorded games as I've been working) and it seems like they are calling more of these shooting fouls than I remember in the past.

Agreed.

Yep, this was part of the instruction at the preseason PAC-10 camp. There was a belief that too many fouls which should have been deemed in the act of shooting weren't. I think that the officials are now overcompensating.

Like anything else there will be a pendulum effect and it will find a centering point after a couple of years.

When should the timer stop the clock on that? ;)

Was at the game today. Fun atmosphere.

They got the Aldrich elbow right. Dead ball contact caused the 'T'. Bill Self agreed with the call in his post game interview. It was a good call.

The Morningstar free throw was a sight to see. The 3 whistles looked at each other like they didn't know what to do, then realized what happened after the initial shock wore off. I thought the 3 men in stripes today did a fine job. This was not an easy game to play when you have Pittman and Aldrich going at in down low.

Reminds me of a factoid I heard reported last night: we're in the 5th consecutive week without a PAC-10 team in the top 25.

And CORNELL is #22! Ha! No hoops on the coast I guess!

It was also part of both the high school and college camps I attended the last two summers. The instruction was pretty clear in both those settings - if the player has "gathered" the ball and after contact continues to attempt his try (ie, doesn't pass the ball) he should be deemed in the act of shooting.

The thought process is that the gathering is actually the start of the habitual shooting motion. (Disclaimer: I'm now going to use non-official terms to discuss the type of try players are attempting.) The discussion was mainly around shots going to the bucket - layups, floaters, runners, etc. The belief was that officials did a good job of recognizing when the shooting motion started on jump shots but not on these "moving" shots and that it actually started much earlier than most of us called it.

It's certainly an interesting discussion and open for interpretation. On a fast break layup is the gathering of the ball the actual start of the try? Makes sense to me, but I can see arguments other ways.

No link?

We understand it the same, then. In the game last night, the ball was in both hands just before the foul happened. I would consider that "gathered" and as long as he continues up with it, it's in the act of shooting.

It's certainly easier to sell with a more patient whistle. :D

Here's a link to the free throw attempt. Haven't seen one on the Aldrich foul.

Brady Morningstar free throw attempt

At about 1:30 in this video is the James/Aldrich foul sequence.

James fouls Aldrich, Aldrich follows with intentional technical