Good partner, finally!
 

Tonight, I got Girls JV with an official who I know can take care of business. Not like the many other officials I've had this year who just don't care and are there only for the money. I don't know what it was about this year but I just had very bad luck this season with officials. One threatening to beat me up at halftime, several that just couldn't officiate to save their life, including some that are 10+ years, and several newbies (3 years or under) who act like they know it all.

Hoping we don't kick it tonight!

I was going to keep quiet, but you finally said enough for me to ask...what exactly is your experience level and what qualifies you to degrade the officials you've worked with and argue with the ones who have tried to help you on this site?

I wonder how many of your partners are going home and talking about the guy they worked with tonight that, "can't referee to save his life."

Getting plays right and knowing rules is the easy part of this job, staying humble and not talking sh*t about people can be the tough part...kinda appears you're failing at both here hoss....

Don't bother replying to me, I'm not going to be drawn into an argument with you. I just think you should check yourself and realize that you are not God's gift to officiating.

just my two cents...glad you have a good partner and the game goes great!

While I think we all have had some interesting partners, I myself have never had a partner threaten to beat me up at half, or any other time. I'm just curious how serious he was with this threat, and what prompted it? Did he not like the fact that you called something in his primary?

I wonder how many partners I've had leave the game and think, "I hope I never have to work with that moron again."

He probably read one of his posts on this forum.:D

I've felt like it too. :p

94.675% of 'em approximately......

Bad Woddy.....

I just asked him a question and I guess it came off as obnoxious or something when I didn't mean it. I just asked him to make sure he knew what the procedure was for 5 fouls on a player, because we had a player with 4 fouls going into the half (yes, I know this is pregame stuff but the guy showed up like 10 minutes before the start of the game, no time for pregame). He flipped out about it, saying he was better than me and he doesn't give a ****. Then he said "if I ever hear you talk about me behind my back, I'm gonna beat the living piss out of you" (near-exact words). Half time was 8 minutes, I was back on the court at 7:31 without my partner, I couldn't stay in the locker room with him after he said that, because a fight probably would have broken out and I could have easily killed him since the guy was old and light weight.

Funny thing about the night, that player played most of the 2nd half and did not foul out. I was amazed, he played great defense the whole second half, and even drew a charge or two.

anyways, off to my game now, good luck to any of you officiating tonight, looking forward to reading about any unusual or funny plays!

I'm sure I've had several officials say that, because we all have a bad game that we kick a call or two. I tell guys to be honest with me and several have said "you suck, hang up the whistle". That only fueled me to get better and when I would officiate with the same person a season or two later they'd say that I definitely got better or had a better game that night.

I'm bummed
 

Just my luck. Got a game tonight with a guy whose always in trouble with his partners. Doesn't seem to matter if they're experienced or newbies. I don't know what it is with this guy, but apparently he can't work with anyone in our Association. I hear one guy even threatened to hit him. Yikes!

Well, GIGDGO. That's my motto for tonight.

Hope we don't kick it.

And now you're talking behind a whole bunch of your past partner's backs.

Seems like you've kinda got a reputation for doing so..both there and here.

Think about it.

Or not.

Sorry if I offended you or anything. I've been officiating for 6 years, but before that have been scorekeeping for many years and became good buddies with several officials that are now my mentors. I'm at a higher level now than some guys in the chapter who have been officiating for 10-15 years. Some will say that I've become lucky to have the two guys as my mentors and several others that help me out too, because these guys are the best in our chapter.

I've never said I was God's gift to officiating. In fact, I would be the first to say I'm far from it. I think God gave me a gift to be an official, but I'm not the utmost gift to this world that guys like Ed Rush would probably be. I still have a lot of work ahead of me, but I do put a lot of passion in to be officiating.

When I "talk behind someone's back" I usually don't bring a name up. I don't consider it "talking behind's someone's back" if a name doesn't come up. Several times a name will come up, but only if someone else says "so-and-so sucks, I ref'ed with him the other day and I hope I never have to work with him again!"

gtg, game tonight

My only threat so far was from a parent, later found out about his "rap sheet" and was glad i managed to defuse the situation !:) He should of been ejected, but his kid's coach threw him out at the next practice !

I gotta tell ya....I haven't been reffing as long as some of you guys, and I've only done several hundred games in four different leagues. But, I have never heard anything close to another official being so unprofessional to say "so and so sucks." I've never heard of such back-stabbing.

Is it just me?

I could care less what my partner says about my officiating after a game as long as I am doing my best and am in the game. I do care however what he says about me personally and that is why I treat them all with respect and dignity even if they are not the best official.

I was actually thinking along the same lines as Jurassic when you mentioned that. Using names isn't always required to get in trouble for this stuff. There's no good that comes from doing this stuff. When converstations turn to other officials around here, unless it's "He's really good, you should watch him work" or "She really knows how to deal with that coach," I just keep my mouth shut and turn the conversation to other things; such as the game we're about to work.

It always comes back to bite you in the a$$. Always.

So you've seen my evals.

For the most part, I work with a select chosen set of partners. About 60% of my games with 1 guy, about 30% of the games with another, and the rest with a third (with some minor exceptions, mostly when working 3-person). The names may change slightly from year to year, but normally we work with people we trust and people we like being around.

Of course, when those relationships change, having contracts 2 years in front of you with those people can make things somewhat awkward....

We see some pretty awful officials in prelim games and I am never anything but nice to them and show them respect. Unlike the chuckleheads in the stands, they have the courage to go out and work the games.

If someone asks for constructive advice, I give something they can take away (or leave behind). I try to treat people the way I would like to be treated.

Yup.:eek:

God wasn't very good to you either, Shorty.

Methinks both you and representing should think of suing the Big Guy ...maybe in Peoples Court. You for God giving you such a short eval, and representing can get Him for false promises.

I haven't been called "shorty" since I left that Dutch college in Iowa.

It's not just you.

If an official does hear it more than once, it might be worth taking a look at what he's doing - both on and off the court - to garner such a response.

whenever I say something bad I try to back it up with something good. don't like talking about other refs. luckily I can block partners I don't want to work with. I even took one off this year because I saw him again and he was doing a lot better so I give someone two chances.

me I'm just a swell, humble guy to work with who is fortunate enough to be better than everyone else. :p

Yea, makes life tough, eh?:D

Seriously, with some personal friends who are refs, I do occasionally engage in reffing gossip, (see my post in Padgett's thread about the People's Court), but I absolutely never bash anyone unless I know my co-gossip-er very,very well, and know that it won't go any further.

Party Line ...
 

C'mon Juulie Downs. You can trust us. We can keep a secret.

It's just you

Is one of your regular partners the dude who called the 5-second vioation from trail on your throw in as lead? :eek:

Not anymore. Actually, not for 2 years, but when you get contracts almost 2 years out it can be an awkward processs.

Like I said, relationships change.

This never happend to me BUT once my partner said that if took a game on our anniversary she was going to kill me. Sometimes it's a good thing to listen to, and not aggravate your partner!!!! :D

At some point, you should consider what the common denominator of all these recurring problems might be.

This clown has worked 6 years and only has one varsity assignment?

There's a reason for that.


I cannot wait until someone in PA reads this, puts two and two together and outs you to your association.

You won't even be able to get a job setting up the scorers table.

Not that I'm defending him, but:

There are places in this country where 6 years would be the normal progression to varsity games. Those areas have a lot of varsity officials and breaking through is not easy.

He has stated prior that he should be working ahead of plenty of guys who are working varsity.

Again..... there is a reason why he's where he is today.

We all can tell why just from his continued ridicule of his colleagues.

I'd say average is 4-5 in my area for decent games, maybe longer.

Well, I was trying to make a statement without addressing the OP.

Some people have 6 years experience and others have one year of experience six times. I've met 20 year officials I wouldn't hire to work a 4th grade girls game, either.

(If he hurries here, he can have my varsity boys game tonight. I don't feel like driving in the snow.)

I hope this guy is yanking our chain!
 

:rolleyes:

Yep.... as have I.

Our chapter is very political, and that's from a bias standpoint. It's hard to make it to varsity until at least the 5th or 6th year unless you got great connections which I lacked. Let it be known that I was also away for most of the last three seasons and that has hurt me in my process of going up to Varsity. I was going to a college, in the same District but totally different league, for three years (Fall 2006-Spring 2009) so I couldn't get a lot of recognition during that time. I would only come home on some weekends and usually get biddy games and some JH games. It was hard for me to get JV games during those three years for some reason. I would get games during the week at the leagues down there, but I didn't care about doing Varsity as I didn't think I was going to be officiating in those leagues this year, which turned out to be correct. Maybe next year since those leagues are now recruiting a few guys from our league to officiate.

So all-in-all, I would say that total experience would come to around 4 or 5 years, even though this is my 6th season.

Based on your knowledge of the rules (or lack of knowledge, I should say), it's probably a good thing for everyone involved that you haven't worked any varsity games. You really have a large chip on your shoulder for someone who has a very poor understanding of the rules.