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Mark Padgett Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:36pm

For newbies - clock start?
 
Heard two refs debate this the other night. On a jump ball to start the game, do you chop the clock when the ball is first touched by one of the jumpers, or do you wait until it's touched by a non-jumper? Also, on a missed free throw that hits the floor, do you start the clock then or wait until it's touched by a player.

jTheUmp Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:50pm

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On a jump ball to start the game, do you chop the clock when the ball is first touched by one of the jumpers, or do you wait until it's touched by a non-jumper?
Touched by a non-jumper, I think. I'm not 100% sure though.

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Also, on a missed free throw that hits the floor, do you start the clock then or wait until it's touched by a player.
Touched by a player.

Rich Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:51pm

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 659474)
Touched by a non-jumper, I think. I'm not 100% sure though.

Look at 5-9-2.

Crabnut Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:52pm

First Year
 
OK Mark. Without looking at my rules, I'll fall for that. Clock is chopped at the first touch on the jump ball, and I am sure of that. I seem to remember looking it up about a month ago. I am not nearly as sure on the free throw, but I believe it is first touch there as well. Now, I'll go look it up.

MikeK27 Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:52pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 659463)
Heard two refs debate this the other night. On a jump ball to start the game, do you chop the clock when the ball is first touched by one of the jumpers, or do you wait until it's touched by a non-jumper? Also, on a missed free throw that hits the floor, do you start the clock then or wait until it's touched by a player.

I believe the clock starts when the ball is legally touched, which could be on the tap of the jumper.

On the missed free throw, the clock doesn't start until it is legally touched by a player.

Upward ref Mon Feb 08, 2010 01:02pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 659475)
Look at 5-9-2.

thanks rich, we can add throw ins as well (5-9-4) although the wording is slightly different . right? start the clock when the :
jump ball - is first touched legally
missed free throw - is first touched ( if ball is to remain live )
throw -in - first touched legally , or the ball touches a player

Rich Mon Feb 08, 2010 01:18pm

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Originally Posted by Upward ref (Post 659484)
thanks rich, we can add throw ins as well (5-9-4) although the wording is slightly different . right? start the clock when the :
jump ball - is first touched
missed free throw - is first touched ( if ball is to remain live )
throw -in - first touched legally , or the ball touches a player

"Legally" is important on the jump, though. If A1 catches the jump, it's touched, but not legally, and the clock doesn't start (it's a violation).

StripesOhio Mon Feb 08, 2010 02:02pm

Clock starts when the ball is touched by a jumper.

Clock starts after a free-throw when legally touched by a player on the floor.

mbyron Mon Feb 08, 2010 02:05pm

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Originally Posted by StripesOhio (Post 659524)
Clock starts after a free-throw when legally touched by a player on the floor.

The player could be in the air.

Mark Padgett Mon Feb 08, 2010 02:06pm

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Originally Posted by StripesOhio (Post 659524)
Clock starts after a free-throw when legally touched by a player on the floor.

I hope you mean the player could be standing on the floor. ;)

StripesOhio Mon Feb 08, 2010 02:19pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 659529)
The player could be in the air.

On the floor is defined as a player on the playing court (whether standing or in the air).

tjones1 Mon Feb 08, 2010 02:34pm

Regarding the jump ball, this is a good question...

I see most people waiting until the ball is in possession of a non-jumper.

mbyron Mon Feb 08, 2010 03:40pm

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Originally Posted by StripesOhio (Post 659540)
On the floor is defined as a player on the playing court (whether standing or in the air).

I figured that's what you meant. "On the floor" is redundant: the proper term is 'player'. 4-34-1


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