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Old Sat Feb 06, 2010, 06:41pm
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I sure hope a lecture is all that was meted out. And I am sure the father has been given those same instructions at some point in time.
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Old Sat Feb 06, 2010, 06:57pm
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I sure hope a lecture is all that was meted out. And I am sure the father has been given those same instructions at some point in time.
Personally, my dad only called a "time out" when he was coaching. Otherwise, lectures were usually short and frequently ended with something other than words. But, that was long before we "learned" how wrong that approach was.
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Old Sat Feb 06, 2010, 07:39pm
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And by lecture you mean a discussion with a paadle or a belt!
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Old Sat Feb 06, 2010, 10:03pm
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Some members at Bible Study this evening told me (rather they asked me about) their 3 & 4 grade tourney this morning. Apparently their star player was ejected in the semifinals for a flagrant technical foul (as the story was relayed to me, she was elbowed in the eye and then during the following dead ball shoved the other girl to the floor.) The coach lobbyed for a regular technical foul and received a regular direct himself. Less than 2 minutes later ejected girl on the bench apparently made a sarcastic comment about the refs' rules knowledge which earned the coach an indirect T for bench misconduct, and the girl was ordered out of the gym with adult escort, so the assistant coach left. At halftime while the girls were warming up a ball got away and one of the girls was running after it when the ref grabbed it and threw it away from her. She said, "Thanks, jerk." and got ejected. The refs applied the indirect tech to the hc and tossed him as well. There being no further adult coaches the refs forfeited the game at halftime.

When asked about this my first-gut reaction, was to recognize that a lot of these 3 &4 grade tourneys are refed by high school players and parents with no knowledge.

Yet what I told them was, its sounds like a bunch of girls need to fix their attitudes before their next game.
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Old Sat Feb 06, 2010, 10:24pm
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Some members at Bible Study this evening told me (rather they asked me about) their 3 & 4 grade tourney this morning. Apparently their star player was ejected in the semifinals for a flagrant technical foul (as the story was relayed to me, she was elbowed in the eye and then during the following dead ball shoved the other girl to the floor.) The coach lobbyed for a regular technical foul and received a regular direct himself. Less than 2 minutes later ejected girl on the bench apparently made a sarcastic comment about the refs' rules knowledge which earned the coach an indirect T for bench misconduct, and the girl was ordered out of the gym with adult escort, so the assistant coach left. At halftime while the girls were warming up a ball got away and one of the girls was running after it when the ref grabbed it and threw it away from her. She said, "Thanks, jerk." and got ejected. The refs applied the indirect tech to the hc and tossed him as well. There being no further adult coaches the refs forfeited the game at halftime.

When asked about this my first-gut reaction, was to recognize that a lot of these 3 &4 grade tourneys are refed by high school players and parents with no knowledge.

Yet what I told them was, its sounds like a bunch of girls need to fix their attitudes before their next game.
Despite you mentioning a lot of these games are reffed by players and parents with no knowledge, it sounds like this was handled by rule pretty accurately.
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Old Sat Feb 06, 2010, 11:44pm
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Some members at Bible Study this evening told me (rather they asked me about) their 3 & 4 grade tourney this morning. Apparently their star player was ejected in the semifinals for a flagrant technical foul (as the story was relayed to me, she was elbowed in the eye and then during the following dead ball shoved the other girl to the floor.) The coach lobbyed for a regular technical foul and received a regular direct himself. Less than 2 minutes later ejected girl on the bench apparently made a sarcastic comment about the refs' rules knowledge which earned the coach an indirect T for bench misconduct, and the girl was ordered out of the gym with adult escort, so the assistant coach left. At halftime while the girls were warming up a ball got away and one of the girls was running after it when the ref grabbed it and threw it away from her. She said, "Thanks, jerk." and got ejected. The refs applied the indirect tech to the hc and tossed him as well. There being no further adult coaches the refs forfeited the game at halftime.

When asked about this my first-gut reaction, was to recognize that a lot of these 3 &4 grade tourneys are refed by high school players and parents with no knowledge.

Yet what I told them was, its sounds like a bunch of girls need to fix their attitudes before their next game.
Other than applying the indirect to the coach on the player T, looks like they got it right.

Somehow, I'm doubting the ref threw the ball away from her, and I have no problem DQing a 4th grader for calling the ref a jerk.

I'd be pretty upset as a parent if my 9 year old behaved this way.
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Other than applying the indirect to the coach on the player T, looks like they got it right.

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As I read the story, the girl was warming p at halftime. She is, therefore, bench personnel and the indirect T is indeed then applied to the HC
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As I read the story, the girl was warming p at halftime. She is, therefore, bench personnel and the indirect T is indeed then applied to the HC
Well hey, you're right. I didn't catch the halftime portion of that little bit. I take it back, I'm not sure what part they got wrong by rule. Frankly, it even explains why he may have thrown it away from her, if he just looked up and threw it to a different player.

Perhaps Reffing Rev. can tell us what they did wrong by rule?

After further reflection, I'm thinking these were relatively experienced refs who just don't take any crap during a 4th grade game. I certainly wouldn't have put up with any of this behavior either. The fact that they knew to apply the tech to the HC during the half time tells me they have decent rules knowledge.
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And by lecture you mean a discussion with a paadle or a belt!
He needed neither.
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