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Juulie Downs Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:29pm

First ever for me
 
I called my first T for faking taking a charge. I wouldn't have if there'd been any contact, but the shooter rotated her body as she flew past, and there was no contact at all.

Defender had taken a charge earlier, and was definitely ready to get the next one. She tried a couple times, but couldn't sucker the opponent in. No prob here. But trying to fake me out was just a giant step over the line.

The poor girl probably didn't know the rule, and started crying, bless her heart. But she owns it now!

representing Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:39pm

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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 658969)
The poor girl probably didn't know the rule, and started crying, bless her heart. But she owns it now!

What level was this?

Juulie Downs Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:00pm

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Originally Posted by representing (Post 658972)
what level was this?

jv2.

Rita C Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:02pm

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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 658969)
I called my first T for faking taking a charge. I wouldn't have if there'd been any contact, but the shooter rotated her body as she flew past, and there was no contact at all.

Defender had taken a charge earlier, and was definitely ready to get the next one. She tried a couple times, but couldn't sucker the opponent in. No prob here. But trying to fake me out was just a giant step over the line.

The poor girl probably didn't know the rule, and started crying, bless her heart. But she owns it now!


I saw my first intentional kick of the ball the other night. I've seen refs call kick for incidental contact but it was my first intentional kick.

Rita

Freddy Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:28pm

3 Points if not Wide Right
 
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Originally Posted by Rita C (Post 658979)
I saw my first intentional kick of the ball the other night. I've seen refs call kick for incidental contact but it was my first intentional kick.

Rita

Not a violation if it's not intentional. 4-29: Kicking the ball is intentionally striking it with any part of the leg or foot. :)

StripesOhio Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:37pm

Yeah, lots of officials call a kick ball when the ball is thrown at a foot or leg. Big no no.

adchris Sat Feb 06, 2010 01:12am

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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 658969)
I called my first T for faking taking a charge. I wouldn't have if there'd been any contact, but the shooter rotated her body as she flew past, and there was no contact at all.

Defender had taken a charge earlier, and was definitely ready to get the next one. She tried a couple times, but couldn't sucker the opponent in. No prob here. But trying to fake me out was just a giant step over the line.

The poor girl probably didn't know the rule, and started crying, bless her heart. But she owns it now!

But trying to fake me out was just a giant step over the line.

Bad Zebra Sat Feb 06, 2010 07:09am

Apolgies to Tom Hanks...
 
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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 658969)
... The poor girl probably didn't know the rule, and started crying, bless her heart...

Are you CRYING??? There's no crying in basketball!!!

BillyMac Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:05am

Classic ...
 
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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 659035)
Are you CRYING??? There's no crying in basketball!!!

YouTube - No Crying in Baseball

BillyMac Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:08am

Not Classic ...
 
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Upward ref Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:12am

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Originally Posted by Rita C (Post 658979)
I saw my first intentional kick of the ball the other night. I've seen refs call kick for incidental contact but it was my first intentional kick.

Rita

Had one yesterday also, during a loose ball . clearly intentional .

Rita C Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:34pm

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 658983)
Not a violation if it's not intentional. 4-29: Kicking the ball is intentionally striking it with any part of the leg or foot. :)

I know. I wish everyone did.

Rita

GoodwillRef Mon Feb 08, 2010 01:11pm

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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 658969)
I called my first T for faking taking a charge. I wouldn't have if there'd been any contact, but the shooter rotated her body as she flew past, and there was no contact at all.

Defender had taken a charge earlier, and was definitely ready to get the next one. She tried a couple times, but couldn't sucker the opponent in. No prob here. But trying to fake me out was just a giant step over the line.

The poor girl probably didn't know the rule, and started crying, bless her heart. But she owns it now!

Did you warn this player first or tell the coach "if she does it again she will get whacked?" If you didn't I wouldn't have whacked her...this is a call of last resort.

Juulie Downs Mon Feb 08, 2010 01:15pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 659491)
Did you warn this player first or tell the coach "if she does it again she will get whacked?" If you didn't I wouldn't have whacked her...this is a call of last resort.

No, didn't warn, and that's the substance of my few second thoughts. If there'd been any contact, I think I'd warned after I called the block. But, it was such a clean play by the shooter, and the basket didn't go, and the defender was so clearly faking, I just couldn't see letting it go. Actually, when I should have warned was the one before where the contact was minimal, and she came up protesting the no-call. THAT's the warning I regret holding back.

GoodwillRef Mon Feb 08, 2010 02:20pm

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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 659494)
No, didn't warn, and that's the substance of my few second thoughts. If there'd been any contact, I think I'd warned after I called the block. But, it was such a clean play by the shooter, and the basket didn't go, and the defender was so clearly faking, I just couldn't see letting it go. Actually, when I should have warned was the one before where the contact was minimal, and she came up protesting the no-call. THAT's the warning I regret holding back.

I agree...I would just go up to the coach and let them know what is going on and explain to them it might be a technical next time. Usually does the trick.

Adam Mon Feb 08, 2010 02:34pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 659541)
I agree...I would just go up to the coach and let them know what is going on and explain to them it might be a technical next time. Usually does the trick.

I agree completely, but I have no problem with someone going directly to a T when the action endangers other players (flopping in the lane, for example.)

AKOFL Mon Feb 08, 2010 03:14pm

warning is the way to go here. This is jv ball correct? These kids have trouble remembering thier own names when they play much less some obscure rule. I'm sure you HTBT but this sounds a little over the top for me. If you had warned her a time or two before that would be different.

Adam Mon Feb 08, 2010 03:18pm

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Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 659566)
warning is the way to go here. This is jv ball correct? These kids have trouble remembering thier own names when they play much less some obscure rule. I'm sure you HTBT but this sounds a little over the top for me. If you had warned her a time or two before that would be different.

:eek:
I'm all for warning on this, but never twice.
If you warn once, they usually stop. If they don't, and you warn again, they'll do it a third time; guaranteed.

And again, I'll never fault an official for taking care of business just because they skipped a warning that isn't required by rule.

Bad Zebra Mon Feb 08, 2010 03:43pm

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Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 659566)
warning is the way to go here...

Where does the rule book say anything about issuing a warning? The rule, as correctly applied by Juulie, is put there for a reason. If she felt the situation necessitated a T, then my bet is that it was warranted.

I can't agree with those here that support a warning, or HTBT... I don't know Juulie or her experience level but if she's working HS ball in her state, that tells me she's qualified to make the call. She knows the rule. Applied the rule. Why all the second guessing???

Rich Mon Feb 08, 2010 03:47pm

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 659591)
Where does the rule book say anything about issuing a warning? The rule, as correctly applied by Juulie, is put there for a reason. If she felt the situation necessitated a T, then my bet is that it was warranted.

I can't agree with those here that support a warning, or HTBT... I don't know Juulie or her experience level but if she's working HS ball in her state, that tells me she's qualified to make the call. She knows the rule. Applied the rule. Why all the second guessing???

If someone came on here and said, "Early in the first quarter, the head coach was a foot out of the coaching box coaching his player. I immediately issued a technical foul," would there be second guessing?

Bad Zebra Mon Feb 08, 2010 04:17pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 659594)
If someone came on here and said, "Early in the first quarter, the head coach was a foot out of the coaching box coaching his player. I immediately issued a technical foul," would there be second guessing?

Not if the author presented their justification as in Juulie's OP. I guess my point is that I just accept that most people that post here know what they're doing, unless they're asking for advice or answers.


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