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Mark Padgett Thu Feb 04, 2010 09:34pm

Timeout mechanic - do you ask or not?
 
Do you guys usually ask a coach if they want a full or a 30 if they haven't indicated one or the other? If so, how many times will you ask before you realize they're not responsive?

I was taught that the burden is on the coach, so I never ask. If they don't indicate it's a 30 before you get to the reporting position, then it's a 60 "by default". I'm trying all the time to get my guys in our local kids rec league to do this, otherwise it can take 10 seconds to get a coach to respond.

How does it work for you? And how do you treat it if the request is from a player on the floor?

bradfordwilkins Thu Feb 04, 2010 09:39pm

I ask coach twice usually. Full or 30 coach? No response? Get a little closer to the huddle, "Do you want a full or 30 second time out coach?" No response I go with full time out.

sseltser Thu Feb 04, 2010 09:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 658616)
Do you guys usually ask a coach if they want a full or a 30 if they haven't indicated one or the other?

Yes

If so, how many times will you ask before you realize they're not responsive?

2-3

I was taught that the burden is on the coach, so I never ask. If they don't indicate it's a 30 before you get to the reporting position, then it's a 60 "by default". I'm trying all the time to get my guys in our local kids rec league to do this, otherwise it can take 10 seconds to get a coach to respond.

How does it work for you?

Pretty well. Most coaches respond when you look at hem with a questioning look on your face.

And how do you treat it if the request is from a player on the floor?

Ask the coach.

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LocDog249 Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:18pm

I ask the coaches in the pre-game meeting to let us know. They usually (75% of the time) let us know right when the TO is requested then. Otherwise I ask once or twice.

JRutledge Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:20pm

Since coaches are the only ones that seem to request timeouts anymore, I ask a couple of times to make sure I see what they want. They are often not paying that much attention to us, so I give them some leeway. Most coaches respond right away and this is not a problem.

Peace

Loudwhistle Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:01am

operator error, sorry trying to get colored response, next post should be right

Loudwhistle Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 658616)
Do you guys usually ask a coach if they want a full or a 30 if they haven't indicated one or the other? If so, how many times will you ask before you realize they're not responsive?
I cover timeouts in the coaches meeting, "if you don't indicate, its a full"
I was taught that the burden is on the coach, so I never ask. If they don't indicate it's a 30 before you get to the reporting position, then it's a 60 "by default". I'm trying all the time to get my guys in our local kids rec league to do this, otherwise it can take 10 seconds to get a coach to respond.
Agree, I've had some coaches not want to tell me and give me a dirty look first then tap their shoulder to indicate a 30. Seems like a power play, not T'able but does piss me off, ask a guy twice what he wants and have him look at you like you were speaking Chinese. And how do you treat it if the request is from a player on the floor?

I ask the coach.

bas2456 Fri Feb 05, 2010 01:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by LocDog249 (Post 658624)
I ask the coaches in the pre-game meeting to let us know. They usually (75% of the time) let us know right when the TO is requested then. Otherwise I ask once or twice.

I've started to do this as well. It's worked for me, for the most part.

APG Fri Feb 05, 2010 02:17am

I'll ask the coach at most 2-3 times. If the coach doesn't answer me after that, I default to a full timeout. I've only had to do that a couple of times this year. Most of the time, an assistant is helpful and will inform us what type the coach wanted.

grunewar Fri Feb 05, 2010 06:10am

I handle it like.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LocDog249 (Post 658624)
I ask the coaches in the pre-game meeting to let us know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 658625)
Since coaches are the only ones that seem to request timeouts anymore, I ask a couple of times to make sure I see what they want. They are often not paying that much attention to us, so I give them some leeway. Most coaches don't respond right away and this is not a problem.

Word

Adam Fri Feb 05, 2010 09:49am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 658674)
I'll ask the coach at most 2-3 times. If the coach doesn't answer me after that, I default to a full timeout. I've only had to do that a couple of times this year. Most of the time, an assistant is helpful and will inform us what type the coach wanted.

I've only had to default once this year, and I only did that after asking the scorer if he had signaled.

Raymond Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:47am

I ask once, maybe twice. If no response then I go by how they are positioned at their bench. Standing on the court = 30 Players sitting down = full

Worked for me so far. BTW, when I ask, I usually direct the question towards one of the AC's. Makes them feel important. :D

Ignats75 Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:49am

I specifically tell the coaches in the pregame that if I don't see the indication, they get a full automatically. When they acknowledge that, they have no defense when they get a full :30 into the game and they are so mad at their team they forget to signal, and don't hear my question. I will still ask 2 x's.

DLH17 Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:58am

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Originally Posted by Ignats75 (Post 658822)
I specifically tell the coaches in the pregame that if I don't see the indication, they get a full automatically. When they acknowledge that, they have no defense when they get a full :30 into the game and they are so mad at their team they forget to signal, and don't hear my question. I will still ask 2 x's.

Great approach. Pre-games can be a great tool. Discussing pre-game alone would make for a good thread.....and, I'm sure it's already been covered here. Will have to do some searching.

I tell coaches they need to communicate 30 or full when requesting TO. If no indicator and/or no response to the crew, we assume 30.

ditttoo Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:13pm

Most will tell when requesting. If not, by the time you call the time out and find your partner to spot the ball, most teams have settled in at their benches; then it's a simple matter of if they're standing it's 30 seconds and if sitting its a Full - no need to chase the coach.

Freddy Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:14pm

Quid Pro Quo
 
I again last night made it a POE with the two coaches I hadn't had in a while in our brief pre-game introduction: "And coach, when a timeout is granted you, please let us know clearly if you want a 30 or 60, that way you can spend more time with your players and we won't need to interrupt your huddle."
Every time I use this phraseology in pre-game, they respond with unmistakable clearness the entire game.
If I don't, they don't.

tjones1 Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:19pm

I ask twice... if no response, then I go full.

However, most of the time they tell me right away.

eyezen Fri Feb 05, 2010 01:00pm

I don't ask anymore

HS game -- assume full they will tell you otherwise

College game -- assume 30 they will tell you otherwise

A Pennsylvania Coach Fri Feb 05, 2010 02:46pm

In our chapter we were told to ask at least twice on our way to the reporting area. Get to the area with no response? Default to full.

mick Fri Feb 05, 2010 02:52pm

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Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach (Post 658909)
In our chapter we were told to ask at least twice on our way to the reporting area. Get to the area with no response? Default to full.

But "they" can still bite us.
About the time we signal a *full*, the table says, "He just wanted a 30."
:(

Mark Padgett Fri Feb 05, 2010 02:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mick (Post 658914)
About the time we signal a *full*, the table says, "He just wanted a 30.":(

Tough noogies. Tell the table the coach didn't tell you and that's what counts. It's good to be the king.

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