Partner calls 44 fouls - I call 5.
 

Eighth grade boys game last night. Both teams double bonus both halves, mostly because my partner called 44 fouls (I counted them in the book after the game - I knew he had that many because I knew I called only 5 - three of his were technicals and one was a flagrant personal). Seven players fouled out - five on one team plus the ejection for the flagrant, two on the other. Pretty much, he was calling virtually any contact a foul. The game took almost two hours, and that's with one minute between quarters and a four minute halftime. Oh yeah - there were only three timeouts called in the entire game.

I get to work with him again tomorrow night in a girls game. Oh boy, er, I mean Oh girl. :o

A match made in heaven......
 

Seems like the foot is on the other shoe.......oh, you know what I mean! :rolleyes:

What's the most foul shots you've had in a hs game?
 

Another association SHOT 84 FT during a girls varsity game last week here in VA.

Tell him he called over his quota of fouls in the last game and he doesn't get a whistle tomorrow. He can help with free throws and throwins.:D

You know? He might just do that.

Get with the Program!!!
 

You're not losing your luster, are you? You better get with the program and at least keep up with your partner! :p
We had both teams in bonus with 3:15 left in the third quarter last week. The thought occurred to me, why not just charge by the foul, instead of a price set in advance!

Interesting idea, dollar a "regular foul" 5 dollars a T. I wonder if Mark's partner really thinks that's the way it is. (Mark probably told him that before the game started, who wouldn't believe Mark??)

Isn't this how the NBA guys did it? Refer to Donaghy book (first foul call tips the ball boy) :rolleyes:

The only good news was that he didn't call a lot of violations. Of course, when virtually every possession results in a foul, you don't have much chance to do that anyway.

Here's more bad news. He has one of those "toy" plastic whistles. I thought I was at the circus. I expected all the players who fouled out to return in a clown car or something. OK - that would have been cool.

Last night we had a 7-6 game at the end of the first quarter with 13 fouls on the board. 13 points, 13 fouls. It settled down *a bit* -- we "only" called 22 the remainder of the game.

A couple of years ago my partner and I were watching a brutal JV girls game from the stands and the fouls and points were neck and neck. We placed a friendly wager (one of those where there was really no bet other than who would buy the first round that night) on which would be ahead at the end of the third quarter (when we'd leave to get dressed). I took fouls and I was trying not to cheer every time the JV officials called a hack or a phantom foul. I was up by 2 close to the end of the third quarter when a girl nailed a 3 and I lost by 1.

I would rather have overtime ....

I'm sorry....so, so sorry.

Had a game where I didn't call ANY fouls on one team and had around 12 on the other in the 4th quarter

Book keeper looked at me and said "You havent called any fouls on Kings Mountain"

I said "Because that hasn't been any"

The game ended though 12 to 1 on fouls
- so they had 1 atleast

Had a boys JV game last week where we called a total of 16 fouls.
Both teams were running a zone offense and defense the whole game and neither team wanted to penetrate, so there was almost nothing going on in the post.
2 in the first, 0 in the second, 4 in the third and 10 in the fourth.
The only reason why there were that many in the fourth was because one team was fouling to stop the clock towards the end.

At my game last night, I told my partner about what happened the previous night with the other guy calling 44 fouls. My partner told me he worked a game with that guy two weeks ago and he had almost the same situation. He didn't count the fouls, but he felt the other ref called 3 or 4 times as many as he called.

When I told him I have a 5th grade girls game with "Professor Foul" tonight, he said, "So.....you've got a three hour game lined up?" I told him that's about what I had already figured out and he just gave me his deepest sympathy. He suggested I remember to take lots of meds - as if I needed a reminder. :rolleyes:

Mark P, maybe you could turn Perfesser Fowl into something of a project. If you are going to be consistently scheduled with the guy, maybe challenge yourself in a couple of ways towards achieving some personal goals.

A couple of thoughts:

- become his "mentor" w/o him even knowing it. Look for continual improvement from one series of games with him to the next over a period of time.

- model professionalism and good mechanics and game management to him.

- discuss in game game management strategy...see how he responds.

- use your time with him to practice your skills of giving "constructive" criticsm.

I'm sure there are other opportunities for personal growth. These are just food for thought.

Of course, maybe he is a horse that doesn't want to be led to water. In that case, just focus on you and your professionalism when on the court with him.

Good luck.

If I were coaching, I could honestly see myself asking you to throw me out, just so i could go do something else. My god thats alot. I would assume you would just make me sit there as you couldnt leave the court either

Well, I worked the game with that guy last night. Before we started, he came over and asked me if I thought he called too many fouls when he refs! I hesitated and he said he got a call from our assignor who told him he had comments from quite a few officials who told him that.

I said I thought he called "quite a few" and maybe he should concentrate more on the "advantage/disadvantage principle". He asked me to explain what that was, which surprised me a little. So I did. He nodded and thanked me. We worked the game (5th grade girls) and he still called somewhere between two and three times as many fouls as I called but it was better than the other night.

In all fairness, I don't think he'll ever change totally, but may at least get somewhat better at holding off on the whistle on all contact.

What took you so long to have that talk? I would have been having it in the 1st quarter of the 1st game. We're a team just like the players. We need to be able to tell each other what we can do better during the game.

I guess I'll just put it straight. The guy is very arrogant and usually doesn't listen to anyone. He likes to talk over people and has virtually no respect for anyone's opinion other than his own. Knowing how he is, my guess is that the assignor "lowered the boom" on him and it took that to get the guy to even deign to ask something of someone else other than himself.

I hate to say this about a fellow official, but if I never work with him again, that'll be just fine with me.

Those of you who know me know I usually can get along with anyone, so that's just an indication of how extreme this guy is.