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hoopsaddict Sun Jan 31, 2010 09:28pm

3 person going away?
 
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Rich Sun Jan 31, 2010 09:46pm

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Originally Posted by hoopsaddict (Post 657340)
Being a jv/freshman official who should be ont he door to recieving varsity games next year I am wondering about 3 person officaiting as I am currently looking over various camps to attend this summer. I have heard some rumblings but haven't had the chance to take to a varsity official who would be in the know. The rumblings I have heard are that some conferences here in Wisconsin will go back to 2 man after having 3 person for a few years. In wisconsin here each conference decides for conference games and we have conferences that use both 2 and 3 person. Then for non-conference games it is up to each host school.

Has anyone else heard that the trend with the economy will be to go back to 2 person and not see as much 3 person crews?

It's definitely happening. I may know more depending on what area you live in. Post another message or send me a PM.

jTheUmp Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:01pm

It certainly has happened in the Twin Cities. From what I'm told, about 75% of the varsity basketball was three-person last season. This season, only about 15-20% of it is (and maybe less then that).

I've talked to a few of the higher-ups and more experienced officials in my association, and they seem to think that we'll go back to three-person in a few years after "the schools realize that they'll have a better game with three-person".

Personally, I'm not convinced that three-person will make much of a comeback in the near future, but I'd be happy to be wrong with that bit of intuition.

Fox 40 Deaf Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:09pm

In Kentucky its been three man for quite a few years. There are some small schools that go two man because they cannot afford the other official. But 80% of schools in Kentucky are still on three person, and I have not heard otherwise about it changing next season.

mick Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:10pm

Cutting back on 3-whistle is one way to cut costs.

Who knows...? Maybe they'll even start using coaches that don't know the rules.

Rich Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:20pm

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 657346)
Cutting back on 3-whistle is one way to cut costs.

So would buying a few less basketballs or making uniforms last another season. Or they could raise admission by a quarter.

They simply don't care about having 3 officials here in Wisconsin. Or in many other places.

BktBallRef Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:21pm

I'm thankful to work in a state that has mandated 3 man for all varsity games since 1991.

mick Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:25pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 657353)
I'm thankful to work in a state that has mandated 3 man for all varsity games since 1991.

...But snow plows are not.

Rich Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:27pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 657353)
I'm thankful to work in a state that has mandated 3 man for all varsity games since 1991.

And this is my main gripe with Wisconsin.

They could've planned this -- suggest that conferences and schools pay less for 2-3 years as a period of transition (most of us not in this for the cash would've taken $45 or so instead of the $60 we get now) and mandate 3 officials for varsity games. But they won't. It's frustrating. They do mandate that no game can start with less than 2 officials, so they could mandate 3 if they wanted to. They won't.

We'll *never* have 3 person all over this state. And we go backwards at the first sign of a "bad economy".

JRutledge Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:58pm

Well I do not live in a state that mandates it for regular season, but the IHSA assigns all post season games and they use only 3 Person Officiating crews. And as a result most conferences would not even think about going back to 2 Person.

Peace

Anchor Mon Feb 01, 2010 07:53am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 657353)
I'm thankful to work in a state that has mandated 3 man for all varsity games since 1991.

Amen to that. Whether it is a state rule or not, our association has mandated 3-man at the JV level for 10 years or more, at least.

On the rare occasion I do a 2-man game I have to call my son (a budding official in Kansas) for mechanics advice.

mbyron Mon Feb 01, 2010 08:04am

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 657355)
...But snow plows are not.

I don't get it. Why would you need a snow plow for a varsity game?
:p

grunewar Mon Feb 01, 2010 09:00am

To get there of course!
 
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 657406)
I don't get it. Why would you need a snow plow for a varsity game? :p

I lost three more games due to snow this weekend..... :(

Adam Mon Feb 01, 2010 09:35am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 657406)
I don't get it. Why would you need a snow plow for a varsity game?
:p

To clear the free throw line when the home team is about to shoot potential game winning free throws with no time on the clock?

fullor30 Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:01am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 657357)
And this is my main gripe with Wisconsin.

They could've planned this -- suggest that conferences and schools pay less for 2-3 years as a period of transition (most of us not in this for the cash would've taken $45 or so instead of the $60 we get now) and mandate 3 officials for varsity games. But they won't. It's frustrating. They do mandate that no game can start with less than 2 officials, so they could mandate 3 if they wanted to. They won't.

We'll *never* have 3 person all over this state. And we go backwards at the first sign of a "bad economy".

Sorry about that Rich, doesn't say much about the state of basketball in Wisconsin. With all the bureaucratic waste at school levels, paying an extra official 55-60 bucks a game for probably 25-30 games both boys and girls is ludicrous. They probably waste that much in pencils over a school year.

Sad

Rich Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:06am

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 657426)
Sorry about that Rich, doesn't say much about the state of basketball in Wisconsin. With all the beaucratic waste at school levels, paying an extra official 55-60 bucks a game for probably 25-30 games both boys and girls is ludicrous. They probably waste that much in pencils over a school year.

Sad

We're talking 22 games a season (11 boys, 11 girls). At $60/game, this comes to $1320 over 22 dates. If they draw 240 people to each game, they'd only need collect a quarter from each person attending.

The state has given the message that "2-person is OK" by leaving the first 2 rounds of the playoffs 2-person. If it's good enough for them in games where the loser is done for the season....

mbyron Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:05pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 657421)
To clear the free throw line when the home team is about to shoot potential game winning free throws with no time on the clock?

You kill houseflies with a shotgun, don't you.

chartrusepengui Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:10pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 657432)
We're talking 22 games a season (11 boys, 11 girls). At $60/game, this comes to $1320 over 22 dates. If they draw 240 people to each game, they'd only need collect a quarter from each person attending.

The state has given the message that "2-person is OK" by leaving the first 2 rounds of the playoffs 2-person. If it's good enough for them in games where the loser is done for the season....

Yeah - but then they "encourage" you to attend 3 person camps and will even give you a "varsity" game credit if you do attend. And - they use only 3 person crews for sectional and state tournament games.

I think it's funny that you can attend a camp and pay a fee to go to that camp and officiate in a 3 person crew for a summer invitational tournament where teams are paying rather large fees to attend and play in as well. Some of those guys are making serious cash on both players and officials.

Jeremy Hohn Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:55pm

Thank goodness that our governing body in Texas, the UIL, is governed by a Division 1 official tha sees the NEED to cover these games better with 3 officials and develop them to more easily move up in levels into the college level. With all the oil $$ flowing in our states, and the "robin hood" rule that takes state money from the "richer" counties and helps distribute that to lesser school districts...


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