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zm1283 Sat Jan 30, 2010 09:29pm

NCAA injured player rule
 
Okay, need some help here from someone who knows NCAA rules.

Watching a D1 game live today. V11 drives to the basket and is fouled by H44 while attempting a shot. (Lead called it, but Trail came in with the intentional....it was definitely a foul but the intentional part was very questionable)

Anyway, V11 had to leave the game. With the new NCAA rule this year with the opposing coach picking the FT shooter when an injury happens, is this a situation where the Home coach would pick the shooter or not? What are the situations when the opposing coach does get to pick the shooter?

Adam Sat Jan 30, 2010 09:41pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 657126)
What are the situations when the opposing coach does get to pick the shooter?

It doesn't apply to intentional or flagrant fouls.

jearef Sat Jan 30, 2010 09:41pm

If the fouled player is unable to continue, the coach from the team who committed the foul will pick the shooter from the 4 remaining players on the floor, provided it is not an intentional or flagrant foul. If the foul is ruled flagrant or intentional, the coach from the team whose player was fouled will pick the shooter from any team member.

zm1283 Sat Jan 30, 2010 09:44pm

Thanks guys.

Raymond Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:28pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 657126)
Okay, need some help here from someone who knows NCAA rules.

Watching a D1 game live today. V11 drives to the basket and is fouled by H44 while attempting a shot. (Lead called it, but Trail came in with the intentional....it was definitely a foul but the intentional part was very questionable)
...

I saw that play(St. Louis@Richmond?). When the foul occurred I immediately thought intentional/excessive contact was a possibility. When the trail came in with "crossed arms" I was glad my instincts were validated. :)

representing Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:09pm

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Originally Posted by jearef (Post 657130)
If the fouled player is unable to continue, the coach from the team who committed the foul will pick the shooter from the 4 remaining players on the floor, provided it is not an intentional or flagrant foul. If the foul is ruled flagrant or intentional, the coach from the team whose player was fouled will pick the shooter from any team member.

Was this put in by the NCAA so a team can't fake an injury in a crucial moment of the game to allow their best player to shoot the FT and then the "injured" player would miraculously recover within the next minute or two? My initial thought was "that's a dumb for an injured player" but thought about it a little more. It is a good idea to do this, forcing the coach to take a time out if he wants the injured player to shoot the FTs instead of having an equal or better FT shooter take the line.

eyezen Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:41pm

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Originally Posted by representing (Post 657151)
Was this put in by the NCAA so a team can't fake an injury in a crucial moment of the game to allow their best player to shoot the FT and then the "injured" player would miraculously recover within the next minute or two? My initial thought was "that's a dumb for an injured player" but thought about it a little more. It is a good idea to do this, forcing the coach to take a time out if he wants the injured player to shoot the FTs instead of having an equal or better FT shooter take the line.

Yes, its called the whiny Marquette rule.

representing Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:44pm

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Originally Posted by eyezen (Post 657154)
Yes, its called the whiny Marquette rule.

What do you think the chances are for the NFHS (and other associations) to adopt something like this?

Adam Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:45pm

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Originally Posted by representing (Post 657155)
What do you think the chances are for the NFHS (and other associations) to adopt something like this?

Hopefully nil.

zm1283 Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:17am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 657144)
I saw that play(St. Louis@Richmond?). When the foul occurred I immediately thought intentional/excessive contact was a possibility. When the trail came in with "crossed arms" I was glad my instincts were validated. :)

No, it was actually Northern Iowa at Missouri State.

Here is the video. It's toward the end and they replay it during the interview. Yes, I know that they keep using the term "flagrant"....

Video : Panthers Nip Missouri State 55-54

Raymond Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:25am

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 657163)
No, it was actually Northern Iowa at Missouri State.

Here is the video. It's toward the end and they replay it during the interview. Yes, I know that they keep using the term "flagrant"....

Video : Panthers Nip Missouri State 55-54

Oh...well that is an easy "excessive contact" foul...perfect call.

Not sure how you consider it "questionable". :confused:

zm1283 Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:51pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 657199)
Oh...well that is an easy "excessive contact" foul...perfect call.

Not sure how you consider it "questionable". :confused:

Look at it in this video about 10 seconds in.

YouTube - Northern Iowa at Misouri State mens basketball, Jan. 30

The only part of the defender that touches the shooter is his left arm, which makes contact with the shooter's arm and the ball. The fall looked nasty, but it wasn't because of any excessive contact.

Nevadaref Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:17am

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Originally Posted by representing (Post 657151)
Was this put in by the NCAA so a team can't fake an injury in a crucial moment of the game to allow their best player to shoot the FT and then the "injured" player would miraculously recover within the next minute or two? My initial thought was "that's a dumb for an injured player" but thought about it a little more. It is a good idea to do this, forcing the coach to take a time out if he wants the injured player to shoot the FTs instead of having an equal or better FT shooter take the line.

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Originally Posted by eyezen (Post 657154)
Yes, its called the whiny Marquette rule.

The new rule change stems from the 2nd round NCAA tournament game between Missouri and Marquette played at Boise, ID. The game was tied with about five seconds left when a Missouri player was fouled and stayed down. Missouri put in a sub from the bench, who statistically was a worse FT shooter than the fouled player, and he made both. The problem was that Missouri then sent the fouled player to the table to check back in following the 2nd FT! :eek: (The officials correctly denied his re-entry at this time.) This made the situation look suspicious.

I attended this game and had the chance to speak with one of the officials from it at a camp this past summer. He welcomed the rule change because it takes the pressure off the officials. He stated that there was no way that an official should be put in the position to have to determine if the player really is injured and can't attempt the FTs.

jdw3018 Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:48pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 657374)
Look at it in this video about 10 seconds in.

YouTube - Northern Iowa at Misouri State mens basketball, Jan. 30

The only part of the defender that touches the shooter is his left arm, which makes contact with the shooter's arm and the ball. The fall looked nasty, but it wasn't because of any excessive contact.

There is absolutely no way from that video that you can say it wasn't excessive contact.

It looked like a clothesline on an airborne player to me. I have no problem with the intentional.

zm1283 Mon Feb 01, 2010 04:30pm

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Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 657471)
There is absolutely no way from that video that you can say it wasn't excessive contact.

It looked like a clothesline on an airborne player to me. I have no problem with the intentional.

Why? After watching it live and seeing that video, I don't see how the Trail could come and get that. The Lead had a much better look at the defender's left arm (That one that actually made contact), and the right arm didn't touch the shooter. I realize the drive started in the Trail's area, but I thought he was reaching quite a bit. (For full disclosure, I am a fan of the home team)


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