We kicked it. Did I do enough?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by representing

1)Just a thought... if the ball was batted in an attempt to get the ball away from the defense or to a teammate, wouldn't that be considered a controlled pass?

2) We had this happen in my Boys Freshmen game on Wednesday. I'm trail, my partner's lead. A is offense, B is defense. Shot goes up, misses, players trying to rebound and eventually the ball gets to the floor and someone just batted the ball to the backcourt. I couldn't see who it was, as it was outside the lane opposite to me where my partner would have had the better view. Ball goes almost to the opposite endline and the A1 regained possession. Not having any clue if there was any absolute team control I didn't blow anything and left that up to my partner to call. He blew his whistle and called backcourt. We got together and I asked him what he saw as I couldn't see anything. He said that the ball was on the ground and during the "fight for the ball" A2 pushed the ball into the back court with one hand. I told him good call, as it was with intent to get it away from the opponents and to a teammate.

1) What if it was? You still can't have a backcourt violation until player control is established.

2) See #1. Wrong call by your partner and wrong interpretation of the rule by you..

[representing]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) What if it was? You still can't have a backcourt violation until player control is established.

You can't pass the ball without player/team control though, which is why I always thought that if a player batted the ball in an attempt to "pass" it to a teammate, than you have team control.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by representing

You can't pass the ball without player/team control though, which is why I always thought that if a player batted the ball in an attempt to "pass" it to a teammate, than you have team control.

All that means is it's not technically a "pass," by rule, even if it's considered that by fans. It's a "bat," not a "pass."

[representing]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

All that means is it's not technically a "pass," by rule, even if it's considered that by fans. It's a "bat," not a "pass."

Gotcha. I stand corrected, thanks

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

All that means is it's not technically a "pass," by rule, even if it's considered that by fans. It's a "bat," not a "pass."

Read the definition of pass.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Read the definition of pass.

Fair enough, I withdraw my previous comment, but player control is still required for team control.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by representing

You can't pass the ball without player/team control though, which is why I always thought that if a player batted the ball in an attempt to "pass" it to a teammate, than you have team control.

On a missed shot, if a player bats or tips the rebound to a teammate, would you call that a pass(as defined in rule 4-31)?