We kicked it. Did I do enough?

[SAK]

You know the call was kicked. That is not the point of this post. I think that you did about all that you can do. You asked your partner if he was sure and you were trying to seek clarification.

[just another ref]

"Partner, she never came close to controlling the ball, she only batted it. Are you sure you're happy with the call?"

[referee99]

Originally Posted by just another ref

"Partner, she never came close to controlling the ball, she only batted it. Are you sure you're happy with the call?"

... because you are stating your objection to the call but without saying "you are wrong".

Could also go with a mixture (with JeffPea) of
"Partner, I never saw them REGAIN team control, only batting. When did you see them hold or dribble?"

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by Skarecrow

last touched, first touched....backcourt, in my opinion....

Missing one critical and required component:
NO TEAM CONTROL established after try

keep readng for further reinforcement of this concept...

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by Skarecrow

last touched, first touched....backcourt, in my opinion....

That only applies once team control has been established. A touch doesn't mean team control.

[jdw3018]

In the couple times where establishment of TC is a factor, I don't ask if there's team control - I ask "Did a player from A control the ball?"

This requires the other official to determine if any specific player controlled the ball.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by referee99

GV. 3rd quarter. I'm Lead. Team A has a try from the opposite side of the floor from me.
Ball hits up top (I'm eyeing rebounding action) caroms, tip, bat, scramble, bat (last bat by A1 knocks ball into back court. A2 recovers ball in back court. Partner calls backcourt violation.

I get to my partner. "Partner, we had a try... did Team A have team control after the try?" He replies, "Yes, they had team control." Me, "you're sure?" Him, "yes".

I go to the throw-in spot and bounce the ball to the thrower.

After the game I tell him I think we kicked that one. He says that yeah, he guesses we did.

If it was a critical moment in the game, I would have probably slowed him down more, maybe review the sequence of events and try to get the correct outcome.

Any advice on language/techniques to get partner amenable to changing? Seems that in the moment he was committed to his call, and not eager to analyze.

Tough one, I've been that guy not eager to analyze, I've learned to slow down and digest the information offered. Sounds like you did as well as you could have.

[jeffpea]

"partner, when did Team A establish/regain team control?"....
"team control requires actual possesion of the ball or control of the ball, i.e. dribbling...did any player on Team have possession? did any player control the ball while dribbling? this is a critical point in the game...are you SURE that Team A had control?"

if your partner does not change his call, then it is a judgement call that may or may not come back to haunt him.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

"partner, when did Team A establish/regain team control?"....

if your partner does not change his call, then it is a judgement call that may or may not come back to haunt him.

... as it forces them to think of controlling action. Puts onus on them to back up their call.