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Terrapins Fan Sat Jan 23, 2010 06:31am

Varsity- 2 man or 3 man?
 
We do all our varsity games with 3 man.

What does your association use?

grunewar Sat Jan 23, 2010 07:27am

All our V is 3 person.

BillyMac Sat Jan 23, 2010 08:28am

Beside The Long Tidal River ...
 
Connecticut. Almost all regular season games are two person, with the exception of some big city schools, and a few Holiday Tournaments. Three person crew for state quarterfinals and above, in all four school size classes.

Ignats75 Sat Jan 23, 2010 08:36am

In NE Ohio (Greater Cleveland Metropolitan Area), all V is 3 person. I can't speak for other areas of Ohio. There's been talk of going to 3 person for BJV for a couple of years now. I did a BJV game last week as part of a Fr/JV DH that nearly wiped me out. Two big athletic teams that ran up and down the court. Final was 72-66. As someone who floats between jv and v, the mechanics differences sometimes catch up with me.

Indianaref Sat Jan 23, 2010 08:44am

Indiana is almost all 3.

TimTaylor Sat Jan 23, 2010 09:04am

Oregon is all 2 man. There's been some discussion about going to 3 man for higher level varsity games, but it pretty much got shelved when the economy went in the toilet - I don't expect to see any changes until the economy turns around......

Terrapins Fan Sat Jan 23, 2010 09:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimTaylor (Post 654700)
Oregon is all 2 man. There's been some discussion about going to 3 man for higher level varsity games, but it pretty much got shelved when the economy went in the toilet - I don't expect to see any changes until the economy turns around......

How much do you make per varsity game?

How many fans attend the average game?

Here we get $65 per official, 3 man. We get about 100 to 300 fans per game on aveage. Some games as many as 500 people. You times that by $4-$5 per person and that's a nice gate.

I know we are not their only expense.

Bad Zebra Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:52am

In Florida, it is up to the individual county school boards to negotiate with local assns. for two or three whistle games. Most counties have 3 whistle for varsity, but the larger, urban counties use two whistle due to availability and/or financial reasons. Locally, my area uses three whistle for all varsity games and two whistle for all sub-varsity. Personally, I can't imagine trying to cover a varsity game with two whistles, particularly boys. These kids are too fast and athletic for two whistle IMO.

StripesOhio Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:47am

Northwest Ohio is 3-crew for V. Some in the area down 2 for VG. I really really wish some ADs would book 3 for JVB.

Had a JVB game a couple of nights ago and it was to physical and fast for a 2-person crew to call a good game.

jdw3018 Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:51am

Here in Oklahoma, at least in my area, only the biggest two classes use 3-man for varsity games. Everything else is 2-man.

When I was in South Carolina, all V games were 3-man statewide, and in my district we did all sub-V 3-person as well. I probably called no more than four 2-man games in the three years I was there.

Rich Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:56pm

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 654722)
In Florida, it is up to the individual county school boards to negotiate with local assns. for two or three whistle games. Most counties have 3 whistle for varsity, but the larger, urban counties use two whistle due to availability and/or financial reasons. Locally, my area uses three whistle for all varsity games and two whistle for all sub-varsity. Personally, I can't imagine trying to cover a varsity game with two whistles, particularly boys. These kids are too fast and athletic for two whistle IMO.

The NBA worked 2-whistle into the late 1980s. I worked some big New Orleans schools 2-whistle in the late 1990s.

It can be done, you run a lot, you miss things you shouldn't, but it can be done. It is done in a lot of places and you do the best you can.

Adam Sat Jan 23, 2010 01:00pm

Virtually all varsity here (CO) is 3, with some exceptions. With a few more exceptions, are JV games are also 3. I've noticed when working 2 person that my 3 person experience is telling me when I missed something.

SAJ Sat Jan 23, 2010 03:08pm

In our area of Nebraska it's nearly all 3 man. If schools get in a bind we'll split up and run with 2 man to help cover 2 locations. The nice thing is a majority of schools pay a contracted $ amount (around $50/$55 for each 3man official). When a 2man works they still get the contracted amount (thus $75/$85 each).

ajs8207 Sat Jan 23, 2010 04:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan (Post 654709)
How much do you make per varsity game?

How many fans attend the average game?

Here we get $65 per official, 3 man. We get about 100 to 300 fans per game on aveage. Some games as many as 500 people. You times that by $4-$5 per person and that's a nice gate.

I know we are not their only expense.

Where in Maryland do you officiate? We only have 2-man in Montgomery and Howard County, but some private school leagues are 3-man.

SCalScoreKeeper Sat Jan 23, 2010 05:33pm

Southern California
 
In my area of Southern California all of our varsity games are covered by 2-man crews! However,some units (not ours) use three-man crews in tournament championship games.

Playoffs-
2 man crews:first and second rounds
3 man crews: Quarterfinals-Championships


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