Blarge ...Then it Wasn't

RookieDude

deecee wrote
What happens on simultaneous fouls?

its treated the same as if you have a double foul on 2 post players

...so you are saying that EVERY blarge is treated the SAME as a double foul on 2 post players?

deecee

RookieDude wrote
...so you are saying that EVERY blarge is treated the SAME as a double foul on 2 post players?

Yes,

what would you do in the case of the 2 post players getting a double foul? how would you administer the resumption of play?

RookieDude

deecee wrote
yes,

what would you do in the case of the 2 post players getting a double foul? How would you administer the resumption of play?

poi

Mark Padgett

deecee wrote
what would you do in the case of the 2 post players getting a double foul?

I would expect to get yelled at by both coaches. 🙄

deecee

RookieDude wrote
poi

bingo

bbcof83

Spence wrote
Blarge call in boys varsity game last night. Both coaches see the two officials give opposing calls. The two get together and come out of the discussion with a consensus PC call. Obviously the offensive coach wasnt happy.

I'm a relatively new ref so I'm curious as to what might have been discussed to change the blarge call to a PC.

More likely they came together, discussed and decided to defer to whoever's primary it was. But it's too late for that, they needed to go with a blarge, as unsavory as that is.

RookieDude

deecee wrote
bingo

Just creating a discussion here...

...so if A1 has released his try for goal, and then crashes into B1...and then both officials have a blarge...are you still treating it exactly like a double foul on 2 post players, while A2 dribbles the ball at the top of the key?

deecee

RookieDude wrote
Just creating a discussion here...

...so if A1 has released his try for goal, and then crashes into B1...and then both officials have a blarge...are you still treating it exactly like a double foul on 2 post players, while A2 dribbles the ball at the top of the key?

All simoltaneous fouls GO TO POI...nothing complicated about that.

In this instance POI will be jump ball as there was NO TEAM POSSESSION.

I think you are confusing POI with posession arrow. the possession arrow can be the POI. POI means point of interruption. When you have a simultaneous foul you go to the POI and the possession arrow can help you decide who gets possession.

jdmara

RookieDude wrote
Just creating a discussion here...

...so if A1 has released his try for goal, and then crashes into B1...and then both officials have a blarge...are you still treating it exactly like a double foul on 2 post players, while A2 dribbles the ball at the top of the key?

Yes, you go to the point of interruption.

-Josh

Adam

deecee wrote
In this instance POI will be jump ball as there was NO TEAM ~~POSSESSION~~ control.

1. Semantic correction.
2. It's not the arrow if the try is successful.

RookieDude

deecee wrote
All simoltaneous fouls GO TO POI...nothing complicated about that.

In this instance POI will be jump ball as there was NO TEAM POSSESSION.

I think you are confusing POI with posession arrow. the possession arrow can be the POI. POI means point of interruption. When you have a simultaneous foul you go to the POI and the possession arrow can help you decide who gets possession.

...nah...I get it.

Again...just creating some discussion, so that others might see the thought process.

It is POI...but, some may have thought simply to give the ball back to Team A when a blarge occurs.

As you stated...it COULD be a throw-in for Team A...or it COULD go to the possession arrow...it depends on the POI.

NOTE: I have had two blarges, that I can remember, in my 20 year career...in both instances, we got together and decided one official had the call BEFORE the other.

I know, I know...you will say we screwed it up...so I have screwed up a grand total of 2 calls in 20 years.😉

Raymond

Snaqwells wrote
1. Semantic correction.
2. It's not the arrow if the try is successful.

It's not a successful try if (NFHS) one official has a PC foul. 😉

deecee

Snaqwells wrote
1. Semantic correction.
2. It's not the arrow if the try is successful.

you might want to double check your #2.

Adam

BadNewsRef wrote
It's not a successful try if (NFHS) one official has a PC foul. 😉

If it's a double foul, one cannot be a PC by definition. Basket counts if it's released prior to the contact. Case play is clear.

Adam

deecee wrote
you might want to double check your #2.

Have you double checked? 4.19.8C (a) is clear. Count the basket, give the ball to B for an end line throwin; no AP.

asdf

Snaqwells wrote
Have you double checked? 4.19.8C (a) is clear. Count the basket, give the ball to B for an end line throwin; no AP.

Have benefitted from many "I'll buy the first round if you are correct" bet from fans and officials alike after showing them
4.19.8 (a).

It's inexcuseable that a fellow official would lose this bet.

RookieDude

Snaqwells wrote
Have you double checked? 4.19.8C (a) is clear. Count the basket, give the ball to B for an end line throwin; no AP.

...beautiful...you know, kid, I'm starting to like you more and more.

Somewhere between Nevada and Jurassic...😃

Adam

RookieDude wrote
...beautiful...you know, kid, I'm starting to like you more and more.

Somewhere between Nevada and Jurassic...😃

Well now I'm torn.... 😀

just another ref

Spence wrote
Blarge call in boys varsity game last night. Both coaches see the two officials give opposing calls. The two get together and come out of the discussion with a consensus PC call. Obviously the offensive coach wasnt happy.

I'm a relatively new ref so I'm curious as to what might have been discussed to change the blarge call to a PC.

What did you see? Here's what I saw. etc. etc.

Okay, it's your call.

Proceed from there.

Coach: What about the other guy? What did he call?

Me: Nothing

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