Gave my first Whack since, well EVER!
 

I dished out my very first Whack tonight. 9th girls, partner calls a foul on a B1, B1 spikes the ball, I walk up to B1, and call by number. No response, I call again, nothing, I finally get her attention, tell B1 I don't want to see that kind of behavior again, this is your only warning, B1 tells me to shut up.

Partner was reporting to the table, I blow my whistle, and T her up. Partner told me I handled myself very well, and looked professional in the way of my delivery and reporting.

After game, Myself my partner, and another official were discussing it, and the other official tells me I should have threw her out of the game. Told me that if a player were to ever tell him to shut up, the player would get a T, and get thrown out.

All in all, game lasted a lifetime it seemed, but we got through it.

BTW, if it even matters, game was not close, the player I Whacked, her team was down like 20+.

Fun times, I am glad that cherry is popped!


Oscar

I wouldn't have tossed her, but I'd have rung her up. Good job.

I don't know how everyone else is, but as soon as a player spikes the ball, they get a T from me. It's one of those "Hey look at me, I'm mad" kinda thing.

Then if she still told me to shut up, she can go back to the locker room for the rest of the night.

Welcome to the T Party
 

I'm sure it won't be your last......

I've rung up many a player for spiking the ball......and she might have gotten tossed by me too on the second WHACK for disrespecting you!

Not automatic, IMO. Depends on a number of factors; height of the bounce being chief among them.

And if I called the T without warning her, I wouldn't have spoken with her about it, so she wouldn't have had a chance to tell me to shut up.

a suggestion
 

When this happens, use the BK version of the old baseball rule.

Don't T them up until the ball hits the ground....

May this be the only T you ever have to call.

Kindly provide a rules based justification for this action.

Thank me!

My rule is if the ball bounces higher than the rim it's a T.

I am always puzzled at the attitude that T's are something to be avoided....like it's a sign of failure that we have to dish one out. T's aren't given. They are earned for unsportsmanlike behavior. It's a failure NOT to give one when it's deserved.

Thank you.

Any official that followed that advice could have got themselves in deep doodoo. Strictly against NFHS rules to send a disqualified player to the dressing room unless you send an adult with them.

I said that as a metaphor for the player being done for the night, won't be playing anymore, hitting the showers, etc. etc.

Lighten up a bit, you'll thank me.

Sorry, my ESP is a bit off focus tonight.
I'm pretty sure you used clear, declaratory English to suggest a specific action in a very authoritative fashion.
For the benefit of the noobs who read this board, both Jurassic and I wanted to disabuse them of the idea that this was a valid course of action.
You should learn to say what you mean because most participants of this site respectfully assume you mean what you say.

Later

Let me apologize then for using unclear, non-declaratory English for what I meant to say. I realize it's sometimes difficult to discern the intended meaning from typed words.

Seriously - what does this have to do with the price of tea in china? The ball bounces up 4 feet after being slammed to the floor and thats just a don't do that again warning BUT if it is slammed and bounces 4'6" T? It's either unsporting or not. Height of bounce should have nothing to do with whether you deem it unsporting or not. :(

Why not? A technical foul for unsporting behavior is usually a judgment call and every official sets their own judgment standards. Why would your personal standard be right and Snaqs' be wrong? :confused:

Apology accepted. Your intended meaning didn't resemble what you wrote. And what you wrote could have been very easily misconstrued as being the right way to handle the situation, rules-wise. It wasn't.

Justacoach made a good point imo. And fwiw that was my point also.

Can I ask what the theory is behind this? Take that time to think about it before you hand out the T? Or are you just saying a spike of the ball should be a T every time?

NO!

As you've heard said here before, this is where you use judgment.

For me, a player who bounces the ball hard with two hands and catches it out of frustration is different, from someone who one-handedly winds up and slams the ball down where it bounces half way to the ceiling, or even slams it against a wall.

Each play/situation stands on its own merit and should be called individually. You set the your tolerance threshold - JMO.

Old joke attributed to different officials in different sports.....

The response to a player throwing a ball up in the air is some variation of "If that comes down, it's a penalty/you're gone."

Agree 100%

Ha, I get it. Nice.

Not to get off thread...

The old adage in baseball (as it was passed onto me was...."if the bat hit the ground....yada, yayda".

Sometimes it's a hard bounce, and comes right back to the hands. This may have been an emotion expressed at the own players displeasure with there play, not your call. But if it's so dramatic that it can't be ignored I have no problem with the whack. I will have some latitude in these situations.

Worked a boys JV/V double header last night. In the JV game, visiting kid (down by 20 or so) gets a really nice block and then kinda gets in the blockees face. I get between them to make sure nothing stupid happens and tell the blocker

"You don't need to be doing that, 23."

His response: "Well, I did. What are you gonna do about it?"

"That's an easy question to answer, 23." Whistle. T. Go to table to report. Coach says "Did he mouth off to you?"

"Yes, coach."

"Stupid kid. I'll get him out of there."

That's my second one of the year. First was on a JV coach. I have a newfound respect for those of us who work a lot of JV games!

My criteria is that if the ball bounces higher than 1.374 times the height of the player who slammed it down, then it's a T. That's one of the reasons I don't work FEEBLE games - I'd have to learn how to convert that to metric. :eek:

It Has Logarithms ...
 

You can borrow my slide rule.

Tonight BJV game A1 is called for a block. TWEET. He takes the ball and dribbles that hard once and catches it below his waste. I give him "the look" and head to the table to report.

Halftime, my P and I are discussing the half and V ref comes in locker room. Asked him what he thought about the half? One of his questions was - why no T? I explained my reasoning - a bit of frustration vs unsporting behavior. He said he would have whacked him to prevent further escalation - got it.

We agreed to disagree and he respected my position and I his.

I'd have seriously considered issuing a flagrant T for that but I think it depends a lot in how it is said, etc.

I had a game last week where a player did a short, hard bounce on the ball, which he caught and then left on the court, after my partner called a foul. The player did it right in front of me. I wasn't going to T him for it but was going over to talk to him when my partner whacked him. I grabbed the ball from the floor and walked over to the endline. Each official has their own standard.