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Johnny Ringo Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:24pm

Jump ball to start the game
 
Here is what happened:

A1 and B1 jump center. A1 ends up catching the jump ball. Nothing called. B1 coach is going crazy with the no call.

A1 scores a 2-point fg.

32 seconds into the game the official blows his whistle and stops the game. They take the points off the board and re-jump with the clock remaining at 7:28.

How should this have been handled assuming they did not call the violation. I think they should have let it go as is, but is this correctable?

slow whistle Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:32pm

Took points off the board are you kidding me? This is no more correctable than thinking you missed a travel 32 seconds after it happened and trying to take points off the board between that point and the current. If they didn't call the violation too bad, play on.

eyezen Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:35pm

Dick Enberg
 
Oh My.

Adam Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:50pm

Wow.

representing Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 653532)
Wow.

Exactly what I thought too... just... WOW!

just another ref Wed Jan 20, 2010 01:16am

Any idea what prompted the officials to make this adjustment after this long?

Loudwhistle Wed Jan 20, 2010 01:27am

Man, that's what I call a delayed whistle!!!

Johnny Ringo Wed Jan 20, 2010 02:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 653568)
Any idea what prompted the officials to make this adjustment after this long?

Team B coaches were not letting this go. They were beside themselves over the non call!

Adam Wed Jan 20, 2010 08:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 653573)
Team B coaches were not letting this go. They were beside themselves over the non call!

Good grief, every single part of this was done incorrectly. If you're going to do a do-over, go whole hog and put 8:00 back up.
If you're going to call the violation retroactively, give the ball to B and the arrow to A.
If you're going to do it correctly, let the B coach know you missed it but it's time to move on. Warn and whack if necessary.

It's true, some officials can be worked. I'm guessing B coaches didn't let up on these guys the whole game.

IREFU2 Wed Jan 20, 2010 08:53am

Yikes.

bob jenkins Wed Jan 20, 2010 09:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 653573)
Team B coaches were not letting this go. They were beside themselves over the non call!

Then this needs to be dealt with (and not by going back to the jump).

The coaches have a right to be upset and express their opinions, but they have to do it the right way.

mbyron Wed Jan 20, 2010 09:17am

They were probably just waiting to see the whole play. :rolleyes:

chartrusepengui Wed Jan 20, 2010 09:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle (Post 653570)
Man, that's what I call a delayed whistle!!!

REALLY patient! ;)

Welpe Wed Jan 20, 2010 09:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 653606)
They were probably just waiting to see the whole play. :rolleyes:

Start..Develop.................................... ............................................Finish

BillyMac Wed Jan 20, 2010 06:16pm

It's Probably Too Late ???
 
Now that I think about it, I think I missed a out of bounds violation in my last varsity game, on Friday night. Yeah, I'm certain that I missed it. Can we go back and fix it.

deecee Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:14pm

The only time I did something this retarted was in a wreck league some years ago.

Decent bump on rebounding action but instead of a foul ball goes out of bounds so just award it to the other team. Idiot A who kept arguing that it hit the other guy (because he fouled of course) was doing his best 6 month old impersonation. So I blow the whistle (probably like 4-5 seconds into play resuming)and say I messed up and that it wasnt an OOB but a foul on Idiot A. Didnt hear a peep from him the rest of the game.

**Kids I dont recommend you try this one at home (or ever for that matter)**

Nevadaref Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 653568)
Any idea what prompted the officials to make this adjustment after this long?

The table crew brought it to their attention. http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/fo...stirthepot.gif

Adam Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:49am

That's just wrong.

bob jenkins Thu Jan 21, 2010 09:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 653935)
The only time I did something this retarted was in a wreck league some years ago.

Decent bump on rebounding action but instead of a foul ball goes out of bounds so just award it to the other team. Idiot A who kept arguing that it hit the other guy (because he fouled of course) was doing his best 6 month old impersonation. So I blow the whistle (probably like 4-5 seconds into play resuming)and say I messed up and that it wasnt an OOB but a foul on Idiot A. Didnt hear a peep from him the rest of the game.

**Kids I dont recommend you try this one at home (or ever for that matter)**


I did something like this once:

With time expiring at the end of the half, A1 drives the lane and makes contact with (but does not plow through) legally established B1. Contact causes an off-balance shot that misses as time expires.

A coach requests foul. I say no. A coach asks again. I explain that B was legal. A coach DEMANDS foul as he is walking off court. I oblige. Player control foul on A1 to end the half.

Adam Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:00am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 654025)
I did something like this once:

With time expiring at the end of the half, A1 drives the lane and makes contact with (but does not plow through) legally established B1. Contact causes an off-balance shot that misses as time expires.

A coach requests foul. I say no. A coach asks again. I explain that B was legal. A coach DEMANDS foul as he is walking off court. I oblige. Player control foul on A1 to end the half.

The only way this gets betters is if the shot was made and you got to wave it off.

jdmara Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 653967)
The table crew brought it to their attention. http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/fo...stirthepot.gif

I was thinking the same thing....Love the "smiley"

-Josh

Johnny Ringo Thu Jan 28, 2010 07:06pm

What should have been the procedure had they called the initial violation on A1? Team B gets the ball at the division line and then which team gets the arrow?

chseagle Thu Jan 28, 2010 07:26pm

Proper procedure??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 653512)
Here is what happened:

A1 and B1 jump center. A1 ends up catching the jump ball. Nothing called. B1 coach is going crazy with the no call.

A1 scores a 2-point fg.

32 seconds into the game the official blows his whistle and stops the game. They take the points off the board and re-jump with the clock remaining at 7:28.

How should this have been handled assuming they did not call the violation. I think they should have let it go as is, but is this correctable?

The R or 1 of the Us should of whistled the play dead as soon as A1 caught the ball. Jump ball violation, award team B with the ball, AP to team A?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 653967)
The table crew brought it to their attention. http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/fo...stirthepot.gif

I prefer let the officials make the final decision on any calls on the floor. I'll only offer assistance if asked.
http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/CB...imated-055.gif

fullor30 Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by slow whistle (Post 653517)
Took points off the board are you kidding me? This is no more correctable than thinking you missed a travel 32 seconds after it happened and trying to take points off the board between that point and the current. If they didn't call the violation too bad, play on.


Sounds like a slow whistle..........never mind.

Adam Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 656489)
The R or 1 of the Us should of whistled the play dead as soon as A1 caught the ball. Jump ball violation, award team B with the ball, AP to team A?

Not the R, it's the U's call. If U doesn't get it, R can come in and get it.

But you have the admin correct.


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