How many "T's" this year?
 

2 years ago, I had 20 "T's" for the year. last year 7.

This year 2 so far. Both for bad behavior by players.

1 in church league and 1 in a J.V. game.

My goal was zero, but I am still better than in the past. 1/2 of the season is over.

None.

Don't know the total count but I have had 3 for taunting behavior. Didn't have to call any last season for taunting.

3. Two players and one varsity boys head coach. Was on the floor for 2 more (called by partners) -- one on a chin-up on a dunk and one on a boys varsity head coach.

More than I saw all last year. Still no big deal. When they happen, they happen.

1 - taunting.

Should have called 2 more - 1 on a coach that my P had T'd up earlier, 1 on a player

I think I have seven so far for the year. One ejection.

I don't understand when people set a "goal" for how many T's they want to call. That's like setting a goal for how many travels you want to call during the year.

Me either. They happen when they happen. Afterwards, I do try to figure out if I could've handled the situation better. Many times I wish I would've found the technical in my bag o'fouls earlier.

Three Coaches (Two Stop signs :D).

I think about 5 players.

This is about the highest number at this time of the year I can remember. And I hardly count the players, because a couple of these were no-brainers as one player ran onto the court during play. And I gave a double T on Saturday that was on a TV game that was obvious as well.

Peace

3 so far - all on players with bad attitudes and a mouth to match.

Came close with a couple of coaches, but so far they've heeded the warnings and not crossed the line.

Like Rich said, no big deal, when they happen, they happen. There's nothing special about a T - it's just another kind of foul.......

So, what's wrong with that?
 

I'm at 723. Another 394 and I'm there! :D

None, but I have no goals. I've had partners call one admin (book change) and one player T (threw the ball away from the ref at a TO and refused to retrieve it when given the opportunity) this year.

They happen when they happen......
 

Two from me - both on players. My P's have issued three on players. Seems to be down this year.....but, I don't care one way or another.

Coaches and I seem to get along ok......unless of course I let them get away with too much. Hmmmm :eek:

Two, both on coaches. It is what it is.

I'd post my total so far, but I don't know if Brad's server can handle a number that big. :rolleyes:

Exactly!

Technical fouls are never a criteria as to how well an official controls a game or how good they are at game management. The circumstances that relate to each individual technical foul do that.

1 - on HC. She thought she was my wife. Nuff said! ;)

Wow! ROTFLMAO!

Zero so far. Had a partner call a team T after granting an excessive TO. Thats it.

I do plan to call one on 02/08/10. :)

I just did the tally. 7 unsporting T's so far. Ouch.

Four to head coaches - 2 middle school games, one 9 year old rec game and one freshman game

Three to players - two for spiking the ball and one for profanely informing my partner and I that he disagreed with our call selection.

Since when is going "over the back" a technical foul? :rolleyes:

not much
 

Three so far. 2 were in my second game of the season on 2 players for getting up after a battle for the ball. THey got in each other faces and pushed each other slightly. THen I had one the other day. Partner had a foul. and the kid was walking away from him and said rather loudly that he highly disagreed with the call. (or more like that was F-ing Bullpoop) Either way he got banged. All in all everyone has been good this year. I did have a thats enough on a college coach last night. He told me he thought one of my partners had a vendetta against him.

60 games so far this season, 8 technicals

Game #34 -- Coach -- 7th grade boys -- unsportsmanlike
Game #45 -- Player -- men's rec -- unsportsmanlike
Game #45 -- Player -- men's rec -- unsportsmanlike (ejection)
Game #50 -- Team -- 8th grade girls -- second delay of game
Game #55 -- Player -- JV boy -- shove
Game #55 -- Coach -- JV boys -- unsportsmanlike
Game #55 -- Player -- JV boy -- unsportsmanlike
Game #56 -- Player -- 8th grade boy -- unsportsmanlike

I was lucky for the first half of the year, but now things seem to be accelerating!

Looks like game #55 was a fun one! :D

You posted in the thread about it just an hour and a half ago!

Ha! Didn't even put together that it was the same one.

Like I said, looked like a fun one!

I coach/1 player in about 35 games thus far in the High School Season.

Coach T was against the Varsity girls coach in a JV game while he was yapping from the bench, gave him a warming, then when he opened his pie hole, I T'ed him up.

The Player was in a Varsity game, when my partner called him for a foul he let loose screaming like a kid with his hand on a hot stove burner....it was easy, and the coach never said a word.

One, called that on Padgett the first game!:D

I don't normally keep count....

But 7 last week over 2 games.

1 in my Tuesday game....player threw the ball at another player after they disengaged from a held ball.

6 on Friday....

#1. MY T: Getting stuck in a mismatch, a small player Home1 fouls a big player Visiting5 (almost 1' height difference). After the whistle, perhaps to send a message that he wasn't intimidated by the big guy, Home1 threw his chest/shoulder into Visitor5. T.
#2 & #3. PARNTER's T's: After #1 had settled and my partner got to the players, I went to report...as I was finishing my report I hear tweet-tweet. My partner had a double T on two other players not inovlved in #1.
#4. PARTNER's T: DOG T for breaking the plane after an earlier lengthy delay for water on the court after a timeout....against Home.
#5 & #6. PARTNER : common foul on Visitor1 followed by the players getting in each other's face...BOTH...called T's....double T.

TOTAL:


Against:

• Home: 4
• Visitor: 2

Called by:

• ME ALONE: 1
• PARTER ALONE: 3 (DOG and double-T while I was reporting)
• BOTH: 2

EJECTIONS: 0

Shoot, I forgot one of those.....guess that makes my total 4......

They Must Get Shot In The *** With Cupid's Arrow, Or Something ...
 

Foul count was about eight to one, with the home team on the wrong side of the count. My partner calls a foul against a the visiting team, and while he is reporting the foul to the table, the home coach says, "You finally got one right". Of course he whacked him. It took all that I could do to get him away from the reporting area, calm him down (he was hyperventilating), and get things squared away in terms of free throws, putting the ball back into play, etc. Other than that, I've been lucky. No other technical fouls.

Be sure to ask again in mid February, when teams are trying to get their eighth victory to get into the state tournament. Coaches tend to get pretty worked up around these parts in mid February.

Fixed it for ya'. ;)

Hey - I told you I wasn't yelling at you. I was yelling at that damned scorekeeper! :rolleyes:

3 this year... two on a coach for unsporting, one on a player for unsporting.

EDIT: these three were ones I've called, but had games where my partner has called one or two. Total for this combined this year is around 7 I believe.

First T of the season tonight to visiting HC.

JVB..physical game but the crew was consistent both ways.

Midpoint 2nd quarter I'm trail near benches when during deadball coach starts getting mouth. Says we need to call it both ways (foul count was 4-3), and wanted to know if I was going to stop calling cheap fouls.

WHACK.

He moaned the whole rest of the game but he was never loud or violated his seatbelt rule. One point I heard him say it was "all about us" referring to the officials and that's what I probably should have tossed him but didn't.

One point when his player was called for player-control (my call), he called timeout. After the TO, he goes, "Are we shooting free-throws?"

ME: No coach, it was player control against your team.

As I walk away I hear him say, "Sorry I asked."

I just kept walking. At that point he was hurting his team more than me throwing him out of the game and you really have to cross the line with me to get tossed.

None at the varsity level, I do a fair amount of travel/mens/AAU ball and thanks to this site, my taking care of bidness quotient is way up.

I don't suffer fools lightly as the saying goes. I used to put up with too much nonsense, and I have to say every T has made the game better for all concerned. Probably have called 6-10, I don't keep count. Chased an assistant this past weekend in a feeder tourney with two. Well deserved.

Well, added one more tonight. T'd up a player during a boys Freshman game for profanely expressing his displeasure at a no call. While we're administering, his coach asked me what he said, I whispered it in his ear and the coach apologized profusely and yanked his player out. That coach exhibited a lot of class throughout the game. Didn't scream at his players. Discussed calls or non-calls rationally. I wish more were like him.

That is a great coach, I wish all of the were like him. Amen

Zero so far. I'm actually shocked....had npt thought about it until I saw the thread. I've utilized both the Warn/Whack and the Stop Sign approach to game management this year, after reading about it hear. Several Warns, more than a few Stop Signs....but no Whacks...yet.

umm 2 coaches T'd up, maybe about 5 players. probably a couple more- all for unsportsmanlike- Both coaches were on the floor jumping up and down- one directed at me, the other directed at a partner with his back turned. I don't really count and I call what I see and feel is warranted. I find these people who call between 0 and 2 technicals a year to be something of an oddity. Maybe players in Ontario are just poorly behaved, I dunno.

I have at times gone a year or two without a single T for unsportsmanlike behavior. Many times this took place because I was dealing with a lot of coaches that either knew me or were calm. And sometimes we get lucky by simply having games without much intensity or nothing unusual taking place. I also think the frequency of 3 Person games I work, it is not always necessary that me as an individual to give a T. If the question was how many games are you involved in with a T being called that number would go up. ;)

Peace

An entire season's worth in one night...
 

Up until last evening, I had only called one this season. It was on a player for a forearm in the back of an opponent during a dead ball. Last night's game, however allowed me to match my entire total for last season in one night. 4 on the home team in a BV game. 2 on the home team coach (and the ejection) and one each on two home team players for slapping the ball while in the hands of a player out of bounds for a throw in. Oh - we also had to have a spectator removed for coming down on the floor between quarters to tell us what a good job we were doing!

Aren't you fortunate?
 

Our GV "fan of the game" last night just kept telling us how well we were doing from the front row......all night long. Yap, yap, yap, yap.

In the fourth qtr during a timeout my P's andf I got together near the division line for a few words and he kept saying, "Hey, can I come out there and hear what your saying? Can I join in?"

What a pain in the a$$.....and his team won by 25!

Hehe, had a visiting team spectator like that last night also. As you said, yap yap yap. Not only was he a great official, he was also the head coach. I wouldn't be surprised if he was selling concessions and running the clock too, this guy could do it all!

You would've thought we were the worst officials he had ever seen...until his team took the lead. Then we were "improving". A truly impartial evaluation. :rolleyes:

Educated Guess ???
 

Was it chseagle?

Pretty ho hum… 4 total. 1 admin T, 1 slapping the ball on the throw-in, 1 sportsmanship T on a visiting coach and 1 on a home coach.

Not Very Memorable ...
 

I forgot to mention one in my previous post. Boys Catholic middle school game. I call a foul on A1 to which he responds, "F**k". I believe that he was mad at himself, but it was still an easy technical foul, which is probably why I forgot about it.

2 on players, both unsportsmanlike (1 JH in the fall, 1 JV, both boys)

1 in a BV game last week for reaching across the sideline and slapping the ball on a throw-in.

The only one involving a coach that I've had was last night in a 3-person BV game and one partner whacked the Home's HC in the 3rd quarter. I should have stuck a JH coach in a game in the fall but didn't pull the trigger.

dont know maybe 10-12

only 1 on a coach. 2 were administrative and the other 7-9 were on players for various reasons.

Just one on GV coach for telling his girls (loudly) to "just run over them, knock them out. They won't call anything." Said as I was reporting the third foul :45 seconds into the 1st quarter. :rolleyes:

I might pass of the T and wait till a hard foul and assess a flagrant T :eek:

Team technical foul.

I hope thats a joke.

OK, make that three.

B12 Rec League last night. TWEET! Green 12, hold. Wham! He slams the ball down on the court and way up in the air. :eek: WHACK!

As we're administering the T's I hear the coach say - "Son, you see that official there. He's a HS official. He's not gonna take any of that tonight."

Said with a sufficiently sarcastic tone, that would be another.

If he's actually warning his player, then we're good.

It wasn't sarcastic - but I get your point.

I'm the only state certified official in this league and try to help out once a week on Wed nights. The Coach is a fellow Rec League official when he's not coaching too - and we have worked together before.

He was just letting his guys know things might be a bit different tonight.....so, be careful.

You missed the thread on this one, but it's not a joke. Let's just say he's in the minority here.

It's supported by rule, but what's to stop me from putting on a home team sweatshirt when I'm a fan of the visiting team and acting like a jacka$$.

It's like dropping a nuclear bomb when a quick word to the AD, "Bill, get that chucklehead out of here," would suffice. And the fallout would be a lot less, too.

Right. Although the rule specifies "if its supporters act in such a way as to interfere with the proper conduct of the game." Some will have a higher bar for this standard than others, obviously.

I don't want to stir the pot but not only have I seen D1 games where the fans literraly have to almost hold the game up for some time before a T is given to the home team, and even high level baksetball games.

I think calling this T, for this reason, especially if you are being evaluated or looked at will spell doom for you. I mean the rules support a lot of crazy things if you want to do them, doesnt mean you have to.

Take for example a D1 game few years back where the HC had a heart attack during the game and was assessed a T for being on the court...NCAA said that the officials should have recindid the T. by rules though they were right and supported, but sometimes you need something called COMMON SENSE.

I'm pretty sure Nevada would rescind his T on the fan if it turned the fan was on the court due to a heart attack.

But not if the fan was on the court to attend to his/her child who was having a heart attack. ;)

Good point, they don't need to be there. They'll just get in the way. ;)

Doubtful.

I can answer this question after today.

One.


Oscar

Scratch this. Add a T to a HC tonight. V team is down by 5 with about 30 seconds left and I'm L. V player flips up a shot and I get blocked out so I can't see if the H player contacts the ball or her arm. (Partner later told me he thought it was the ball that got hit) We both pass on it. As we go the other way, I'm new T and the V coach starts screaming "You have to call that.....that is horrible!". I'm at the division line and turn around and stick him. His response..."Thank you".

I also had a parent in the front row behind the endline who was from the V team and was telling me during a FT that "I should T myself" and that "We've screwed these girls over" tonight or something to that effect. Oh joy.

That parent would be bye-bye in my game.

I think it's funnier if you ignore them as long as they're not vulgar or physically threatening anyone. Didn't want to give him attention or the satisfaction that I was listening to him.

in a vaccuum I would agree with you. But let me ask a real dangerous question. What is the real purpose of interscholastic sports? Is it just to build strong bodies twelve ways? Or is it to also teach life lessons about <cue the music> self discipline, teamwork, sacrifice and sportsmanship? Because if it's latter, then we need to enforce behavior that is unsportsman like. Enciting a crowd by saying we are screwing the kids certainly falls under that category

Third Techncial Of The Year ...
 

Boys varsity last night. Second period. My partner warns the home team for crossing the boundary line on a throwin. Home team relentlessly presses the entire game. Third period. Home team crosses the boundary line on a throwin again. Team technical foul.

It seems like I average a half dozen or so every season. I'm about on track this year.

2 HC T's, both of which were very enthusiastically requested, yet both seemed surprised when their screams of "Call a foul!" actually worked. :D
1 HC T, AAU coach is stomping and yelling about a PC foul call
1 P T, Mens rec (surprisingly there has been just the one) for a player threatening to kick another player's ***
Coupla miscellaneous player T's in HS games for unsporting behavior
Oh, almost forgot, 1 T for a kid swinging on the rim after a dunk. Not even a question about it, the kid was swinging like it was the jungle gym on the elementary school playground. But the T spooked him enough that after his next dunk, when he really did need to hang onto the rim to steady himself a bit, he let go too soon and fell on his backside.

On the contrary, the floor is reserved exclusively for the players and the officials. The fan has NO BUSINESS having a heart attack on the floor. He should have his heart attack in the stands, where the ticket he purchased has granted him access to have his heart attack.

Nothing special about a "T"?


When I call a "T" I have to write a report and send it into the state ( West Virginia ) If a coach gets 2 he has to give up 25% of his season's pay. He also sits for 2 games after the game he is ejected from.


A "T" is not just another foul. JMO. You get 5 fouls, but if the first 2 are "T's" you don't get the last 3. If you get 2 "T's" in one game you get to sit for 2 more games, player or coach.

"T's" are special. I have several referees in my association that have never given one. They consider themselves to be patient and understanding.....

External consequences are irrelevant to us. From the official's point of view calling a T is just like calling any other foul. If it's there, you call it, but we don't go looking for them.

And it's absurd for an official to set a goal regarding how few T's he will call during a season. Now goals to be a better communicator with coaches, to better sense when trouble is brewing and head it off, those are worthy goals.

Technicals in my opinion are a part of the game. Do you have to write up a hold, block, or push?

Our association is specific that for routine technical fouls there doesn't need to be a report- only if something is out of the ordinary.

Some one in another thread made reference to an NBA official saying offensive fouls being just like a technical fouls and need to be called more often.

If you ask me, more emphasis should be placed on intentional fouls than technical fouls.

Fourth, And Counting ...
 

I think that this post jinxed me. I have a very long fuse, and don't give a lot of technical fouls, but this is a record year for me.

Boys varsity game yesterday. No problems throughout game. Ball on the floor. A few players dive for the loose ball. A few hands hold onto the ball. My partner and I come both blow our whistles long and hard for a held ball and we both step toward the "scrum". Players get up and A1, who was in on the held ball, takes two hands, puts them on B1's chest, he was also in on the held ball, and pushes him back a few feet. No retaliation from B1. Technical foul. Team A coach sits A1 down for several minutes to cool off. On my way to the table I considered a flagrant foul for almost starting a fight, but since no words were exchanged, and since there was no retaliation, and since A1 didn't give me a hard time after the foul was charged, I decided to just go with a regular technical foul.

Why the T? Seems like he worked it out on his own. :D

Me too Billy!
 

I've "awarded" three well deserved T's in the last week......unlike me, but hey, they earned em and who am I to disappoint?

No, B1 Was Not Tarzan ...
 

Thanks. Fixed it.

2 technical fouls to head coaches:

1st: 7th grade girls' coach yells at the top of her lungs to call a foul after her player drives into 4 players with their hands straight up

2nd: 8th grade boys' coach; working with a first year official and there's a play were a whistle was probably warranted where the offense loses the ball. Defense gets the ball and scores. On the way back down the court coach starts yelling about the play and yelling about a previous foul we had called on his player. I give coach a reminder that we can't have him yelling, but before I can finish my reminder coach says, "Go ahead, T me up!" I kindly obliged.

4 technical fouls to players:

1st: BJV-Unsporting technical foul. Cursing at an official after a no call
2nd: BJV-Unsporting technical foul. Player slammed the matting behind the basket after I called a foul on him
3rd: B9-Intentional technical foul; two players got tangled up after a player. Step in to tell players to ease up and let go. One player followed directions, the other decided he needed to give a good push before he was done
4th: BV-Intentional technical foul. Game is not close, rebounding action and two players playing rough down low. I come up with a double foul. Not a second later, player frustrated with the contact gives a good shove with his forearm.

Flagrant:

GV-Though not a technical foul, had a flagrant foul when a girl decided to rear back and throw an elbow that connected.