uniform rule
 

The Illinois High School Association(IHSA) has posted a new announcement about uniform rule enforcement. (IHSA.org) Must read. Should solve most of the problems.

Just to save other's time as welll...


The Illinois High School Association (IHSA) announced today that waivers for illegal basketball uniforms can be secured by completing the “Basketball Uniform Waiver Request Form” that is available online in the IHSA Schools Center. Following last year’s basketball state tournament series, the Association stepped up its efforts to make officials and schools aware of the uniform rules and regulations.

“The uniform rule was specifically addressed in this year’s preseason rule interpretation meetings, said IHSA Executive Director Marty Hickman. “Every school and every official was reminded that compliance with the rule was mandatory rather than optional.”

Officials have recently notified the IHSA of several schools whose uniforms do not currently comply with National Federation of State High School Association (NFHS) rules. As a result, the Association has instituted a waiver process that allows schools to use their illegal uniforms for the remainder of this season, including the state tournament series, without penalty.

In addition, schools successfully completing the waiver process this year will be allowed to petition for the waiver on an annual basis until they arrive at the normal replacement cycle for their uniforms. Schools must receive a waiver this year to be eligible for a waiver during the 2010-11 season.

“We have no intention of requiring schools to expend additional dollars now, or in the future, to replace illegal uniforms,” added Hickman. “We fully realize there are many more pressing financial needs in our schools than basketball uniforms.”

Schools wearing illegal uniforms that fail to apply for a waiver will continue to be penalized per NFHS rules in the regular season and IHSA State Series. The penalty for an illegal uniform is a technical foul assessed to the offending team’s coach prior to the start of the contest.

The Association is encouraging schools to specify to their uniform supplier that all new uniforms must comply with NFHS regulations. Further, the IHSA will be submitting a proposal to the NFHS to simplify the basketball uniform rule.

“When a school or administrator complains about a rule, we always tell them that there is a process in place to change that rule and that they should submit a by-law proposal,” said Hickman. “We are taking our own advice, so to speak, as we feel that the NFHS uniform rules for basketball may be a bit too restrictive and cumbersome. We hope our proposal will be well received and help streamline those rules.”

Are they going to make sure coaches are aware of all the other ruels, too?

Snaqwells Are they going to make sure coaches are aware of all the other ruels, too?

Snaqwells,
You wouldn't believe how big a deal this has become in some places here in IL and some of the problems associated with it.

Speaking of uniform rules/regulations, rule 3-5-5 states:
Undershirts shall be a single solid color similar to the torso of the jersey & shall be hemmed & not have frayed or ragged edges. If the undershirt has sleeves, they shall be the same length. A visible manufacturer's logo/trademark/reference is not permitted on the undershirt.

During the Boys' C-Squad game the other night, V13 had a black undershirt on underneath a red jersey. During a dead ball, I buzzed the horn & asked about the player having the different undershirt color than jersey, the official's reponse was in non-Varsity contests they don't worry about it.

After asking, I noticed that H40 had a white undershirt on underneath a yellow jersey.

The reason why I asked was that I was curious about why the rule enforcement wasn't there.

To answer everyone's question, no Rookiedude was not one of the officials for that game.

If you are working the table, why did you buzz the horn and ask about it?

I thought you weren't going to do that anymore?

My advice: Don't do it again.

How do I say this tactfully.........

As the clock operator you have absolutely no business interrupting the game for something like this. Why the rule is or is not being enforced is none of your business and you need to butt out.

'nuff said!

I was curious whether or not they were ignoring it or didn't notice it. It was during a dead ball situation at the time & the player I was asking about was an active player at the time.

Be curious when the game is over......

You were more than curious -- you were trying to help "your team". ANd, even during a dead ball, officials have things to do. If I was called over for such a trivial piece of crap, I'd be sure that you wouldn't have the opportunity to press the damn horn any more that evening.

I had a legit question concerning a rule interp. Play was dead at the time, so there was no IH.

As I said before, out of sight, out of mind on things. Concerning the undershirt being a different color than the jersey, kinda hard to ignore.

How could I be helping "my team" if one of the home team players was doing the same thing?

If that player hadn't of stepped onto the court as an active player, nothing would of been said.

The home team player was coming in as a sub at the time the dead ball happened, I just used the visiting player as an example.

OK, let's try one more time......

As the clock operator, the only legitimate questions are those specifically related to your job - everything else is none of your business.

As Bob mentioned, the officials have a number of things to do during a dead ball, not the least of which is to get the ball back into play as expediently as possible. Your actions hindered that and are completely unacceptable. I agree with Bob - do that in a game I'm working and you would be immediately replaced.

Ok, what would happen then if there was no one else available as there was no one trained?

The time that elapsed was only about 30 sec. from my asking to play continuing.

Now where is that game report from Friday night? I am guessing there was a 'no show'.

Probably in the process of writing it down.

Considering Rookiedude had an additional witness present, his brother.

We've done games together b4, where I've done scoreboard/timer & he as official.

Only of course, those were Sub-Varsity games.

Quite honestly, it's not that hard to work a clock.

The next AD I see who does not know how to operate the clock will be the first.

You ask for a volunteer, and take another 30 seconds to "train" him.

Don't kid yourself, it's not that tough a job - we'd find someone. I can, and have on a number of occasions, trained a completely inexperienced clock operator in the basics in one minute or less and have them do a great job.

30 seconds can be an eternity. There's an old adage - bad things happen during a dead ball - things like taunting and other unsportsmanlike acts. That's especially true when the players are intermixed on the court and an official's attention is distracted elsewhere.

Exactly what everyone else is saying.... stay outta the officials bidness.

If you want to know, wait until after the game. However, do not interrupt the game because you want to know why/why not a rule isn't being enforced.


Now, back to the OP.

If you log into your Center and click on basketball ("BK") under the case situations you'll find the list of schools who currently have a waiver. Now, even though there's a published list, the coach still must show the waiver to game officials before the game to avoid being accessed a technical foul.

Because it's a non-varsity game.

You asked during a substitution and don't think it interrupted the game? :rolleyes:

Ya got (Walla Walla) onions, that's for sure.

I'm just going to echo Bob on this one. Around here, we do enforce this at the JV level (did it last night with the first sub of the game), but I would not take kindly to the table asking me why it wasn't being enforced.

We are supposed to enforce the apparel regulations at all levels of HS play (Fr, JV, and V), but some officials don't bother.
If I didn't notice such an infraction and the table crew brought it to my attention, I wouldn't mind and I would deal with the issue at that time.
I'm not threatened by a scorer asking me about a rule. I know the rules pretty well.
Just my thoughts.

Nevada,

How I asked was that I mentioned that according to my understanding of the rules, aren't undershirts to be the same color as the jersey.

I didn't mention the rule or rule # specifically. This was the reaction I was getting was they don't worry about it. Since that was the response I got, I again let bygones be bygones.

For everyone else,

I am mentioning what happened, as to me it seemed a bit odd that the rules as a whole seem to not be fully enforced at all levels of play. However, since again officials have the only say I just went off of what was told.

Actually, the rule, 3-5-5, states the undershirt shall be similar to the color of the torso of the jersey. ;)

Sorry misquoted as I didn't have the text in front of me. MY BAD:eek:

How can black be similar to red?

How can white be mistaken as similar to yellow?

1. If you asked me about the rule and said "same color," I would correct you and inform you that the rule only requires a similar color.

2. Now what is a similar color is up to the referee.

3. I didn't say anything about the specific colors in your situation.

4. I would not rule black as similar to red.

5. I would rule light green okay to wear with a dark green jersey or aqua as fine for going under a blue shirt.

Well you are wrong in many situations. Many states do not have strict enforcement of uniform rules at the other levels. And yes that includes lower level games. Most of the time the kids are in "warm-up" jerseys that do not fit all the regulations that apply. It is not about choice, it is about practice for many. That is certainly the case where I live and undershirts are not a major concern at the lower levels.

Peace

Understandable

Unfortunately I can't remember what I said verbatim considering everything that happened later that night. I do remember however that I didn't state any specific rule or rule #.

And you didn't ask the officials why the home team wasn't assessed a T for violation of 3-4-1-c.......interesting..........

This was a C-Squad game, the only teams that currently have the required white jerseys are the V & JV squads, due to budget issues, at my alma mater.

Not all schools can be within the full regulations for all squads due to budgetary concerns.

Last year, both JV Squads were still wearing Yellow home jerseys, this year due to Varsity getting new uniforms, JV got last year's V uniforms.

Budgetary concerns are not addressed in the rulebook. Maybe you could write a letter on this subject to somebody.........or something.

Hasn't 3-4-1c only be in effect for 2-3 years?

My understanding of the rule is that it is being enforced via a slow rollout in the WIAA. 1st year was Varsity only (wasn't last year the 1st year of the white home uniforms?), the next year JV & V, with all squads the year after.

According to the NFHS the requirement for the home team to wear white uniforms is only for Varsity games. That was written when the rule was first published.

Of course, the state of Washington could do something different via their own choice.

Barney Fife- put the one bullet back in your shirt pocket. While I agree it is a uniform violation, IT IS NOT YOUR JOB TO ENFORCE!

Yes, it's only been in force for a short time, but before that, schools knew it was coming for several years.

That said, the NFHS says it's only for varsity (as Nevada stated).

Around here, it's more like Nevada's area WRT undershirts. The prevailing thought is, they've had enough time to learn the rule by the time they get to high school.