Confusion on Backcourt

[Juulie Downs]

On the topic of backcourt violations, I saw a girl pull an amazing play in a really scruffy JV2 game.

Team A was trying to get the ball into their frontcourt, Team B had a pretty effective press going on. As the trap was just closing in on the dribbler, the ball squirted between the two Team B trappers toward center court. The ball bounced the last 10 feet and A3 in FC started running to retrieve it. She had both feet on the FC side of the division line, when she bent over to pick it up. But she apparently realized that it would be a violation if she did, so she WAITED UNTIL IT HAD BOUNCED IN THE FRONTCOURT!! I was astounded. She must have a ref for a dad. She clearly knew the rule!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

On the topic of backcourt violations, I saw a girl pull an amazing play in a really scruffy JV2 game.

Team A was trying to get the ball into their frontcourt, Team B had a pretty effective press going on. As the trap was just closing in on the dribbler, the ball squirted between the two Team B trappers toward center court. The ball bounced the last 10 feet and A3 in FC started running to retrieve it. She had both feet on the FC side of the division line, when she bent over to pick it up. But she apparently realized that it would be a violation if she did, so she WAITED UNTIL IT HAD BOUNCED IN THE FRONTCOURT!! I was astounded. She must have a ref for a dad. She clearly knew the rule!

I must be seeing the play wrong. The ball came from the BC, was bouncing in the BC, and it would have been a violation for a player in the FC to control the ball?

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I must be seeing the play wrong. The ball came from the BC, was bouncing in the BC, and it would have been a violation for a player in the FC to control the ball?

I think so. First of all, remember A has team control. The ball, with BC status, bounces very near the division line in the BC, and is in the air when A1 with FC status reaches for it. Am I incorrect that if she touches it in the air at that point, it's a violation?

She waited until it bounced in the FC and then picked it up. Well, even if technically it would have been legal, I was impressed that she played it safe. It showed a respect for rules that I really appreciated.

[Adam]

Juulie, it wouldn't have been a violation anyway. the ball must gain BC status *after* it gained FC status in order for a violation to be committed.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

I think so. First of all, remember A has team control. The ball, with BC status, bounces very near the division line in the BC, and is in the air when A1 with FC status reaches for it. Am I incorrect that if she touches it in the air at that point, it's a violation?

She waited until it bounced in the FC and then picked it up. Well, even if technically it would have been legal, I was impressed that she played it safe. It showed a respect for rules that I really appreciated.

FC-->BC is a violation.

Your play is BC-->FC. There is no rule against that. That is what the team is supposed to do.

Have you gotten into Padgett's stash of meds?

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Juulie, it wouldn't have been a violation anyway. the ball must gain BC status *after* it gained FC status in order for a violation to be committed.

Ah, right. I see. As if it were a pass from BC to FC. Duh. Got so wrapped up in the "last to touch before it gained and first to touch after it gained" stuff, I forgot the second criteria, FC status.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Your play is BC-->FC. There is no rule against that.

Thank God. If that were true, then field goal tries would have to be taken from behind the division line. Of course a team could legally get it into the normally legal, but in this case "illegal", frontcourt, during a period of non-team control, like during the tapping of a rebound; or on an inbound play, jump ball, or steal, like the "real" exceptions. Could we have a ten second frontcourt violation?

Nevermind. Let's just leave the rules as they exist now.

[Amesman]

One more, from the weekend. I think I kicked it but want to make sure one way or another.

A1 is point guard on the dribble in FC near the division line. B1 playing aggressively pokes the ball straight back. A1's next touch is off that loose bounce, not catching it but instead bouncing the ball on the division line to start dribbling again. BC violation? I passed on it. B coach exercised her opinion that I shouldn't have.

I was table side so I had time right away to point out to the coach it was poked away, but it was one of those moments where a wave of doubt hits just as you open your mouth. Kind of like as I'm typing this out and really think about the situation.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Amesman

One more, from the weekend. I think I kicked it but want to make sure one way or another.

A1 is point guard on the dribble in FC near the division line. B1 playing aggressively pokes the ball straight back. A1's next touch is off that loose bounce, not catching it but instead bouncing the ball on the division line to start dribbling again. BC violation? I passed on it. B coach exercised her opinion that I shouldn't have.

I was table side so I had time right away to point out to the coach it was poked away, but it was one of those moments where a wave of doubt hits just as you open your mouth. Kind of like as I'm typing this out and really think about the situation.

From your description A1 was the last to touch the ball before it hit the backcourt, the division line, and then the first to touch it after it bounced there. The coach was right. You failed to call a violation.

[Upward ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

From your description A1 was the last to touch the ball before it hit the backcourt, the division line, and then the first to touch it after it bounced there. The coach was right. You failed to call a violation.

Even though B "poked" the ball away ?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

Even though B "poked" the ball away ?

It doesn't matter who poked the ball away. All that matters is who was the last player to touch the ball in the front court. If A touches the ball, even after it's been poked away by B, before the ball goes into the backcourt, then A was the last to touch it in the frontcourt.

If B deflects the ball of A's leg, and A runs into the backcourt and retrieves the ball, it is a violation. If the ball is batted away by B without touching A, then A may legally retrieve the ball.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

Even though B "poked" the ball away ?

Yes, this isn't the NBA.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

Even though B "poked" the ball away ?

Why does this matter? Here's a situation for you.

A1 dribbling in front court, guarded by B1. B1 bats the dribble and it hits A1's leg before going into the BC, where A2 recovers it.

You make the call.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

It doesn't matter who poked the ball away. All that matters is who was the last player to touch the ball in the front court. If A touches the ball, even after it's been poked away by B, before the ball goes into the backcourt, then A was the last to touch it in the frontcourt.

If B deflects the ball of A's leg, and A runs into the backcourt and retrieves the ball, it is a violation. If the ball is batted away by B without touching A, then A may legally retrieve the ball.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Why does this matter? Here's a situation for you.

A1 dribbling in front court, guarded by B1. B1 bats the dribble and it hits A1's leg before going into the BC, where A2 recovers it.

You make the call.

jdw beat you by four minutes.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

jdw beat you by four minutes.

I'm fast. Fast I tell you.