sub question,2 shoe lace

bob jenkins

Jurassic Referee wrote
I absolutely won't take time. Ever. Well, maybe for 6 year-olds.

Making sure that shoes are tied isn't part of our officiating duties. That's solely up to the player and I could care less what coaches or parents think. And there's no rules backing to stop the game for a displaced shoe, as there is for displaced glasses.

Has anyone ever seen a college game stopped for an untied shoelace or a displaced shoe? I sureasheck haven't.

I have to disagree completely with anyone advocating stopping the game for that reason. If they want to waste a TO to put their shoe back on, fine with me. But I ain't giving them a free timeout.

Stopping the game? I agree with JR

Delaying the resumption? I let them get the shoe tied, unless it becomes a problem, in which case I make them leave the game (only once -- when the player was trying to "ice" the FT shooter)

Jurassic Referee

bob jenkins wrote
Delaying the resumption? I let them get the shoe tied, unless it becomes a problem, in which case I make them leave the game (only once -- when the player was trying to "ice" the FT shooter)

Delaying the resumption? I agree with Bob J.

bas2456

Jurassic Referee wrote
Delaying the resumption? I agree with Bob J.

That's what I meant by "taking time". My bad, should have worded that differently.

mutantducky

I still remember back in 6th grade cyo my friend's shoe kept coming untied. After about the fifth time the ref bent down and tied it. really funny

Jurassic Referee

bas2456 wrote
That's what I meant by "taking time". My bad, should have worded that differently.

And my bad for misinterpreting your words also, I guess.

I won't stop the game for someone to tie or replace a shoe. I will hold up the game if time was already out for someone to do so though. That's what we train our officials to do and it's pretty much standard practice with the other associations in our general area afaik.

bigwhistle

Had a guy last night get hit in his package as he was making an attempt. As he was still trying to remember how to breathe before his first free throw, I looked at his teammate and told him to tie both his shoes. He looked down and saw they were tied very tightly. Then he looked at his teammate and figured out why he needed to retie them. 🙂

bas2456

Jurassic Referee wrote
And my bad for misinterpreting your words also, I guess.

I won't stop the game for someone to tie or replace a shoe. I will hold up the game if time was already out for someone to do so though. That's what we train our officials to do and it's pretty much standard practice with the other associations in our general area afaik.

That's consistent with what I do. I've never been told one way or the other, but it just seems like common sense to me.

KJUmp

Jurassic Referee wrote
Delaying the resumption? I agree with Bob J.

Good advice as to how to handle for us newer guys.

Jurassic Referee

bas2456 wrote
That's consistent with what I do. I've never been told one way or the other, but it just seems like common sense to me.

And You're mentioning "consistent" brings up another good point imo.

If the officials in an area are taught to stop the game for shoes, and all of the officials are consistent in doing so..with the result that the players and coaches know what to expect...I don't have any problem at all with that.

It ain't that big a deal and you do have consistency in application.

Problems arise in some of these situations when some of our people do things one way and others do it a different way.

BillyMac

Didn't John Wooden teach his UCLA players how to tie their shoes?

Back In The Saddle

BillyMac wrote
Didn't John Wooden teach his UCLA players how to tie their shoes?

I'm not sure about tying their shoes, but he did teach them how to put on their socks.

constable

If I see someone who during a deadball has a shoe that is untied I will mention it to them.

I'd rather hold up the game for 6 seconds after letting someone know their shoes are untied than hold up that persons life for 6 months while they are in the hospital after tripping on a loose shoe lace.

JRutledge

Jurassic Referee wrote
And You're mentioning "consistent" brings up another good point imo.

If the officials in an area are taught to stop the game for shoes, and all of the officials are consistent in doing so..with the result that the players and coaches know what to expect...I don't have any problem at all with that.

It ain't that big a deal and you do have consistency in application.

Problems arise in some of these situations when some of our people do things one way and others do it a different way.

I am from his area and I am a clinician for the state. I have never heard a single clinician or person that does any training to suggest stopping the game to have someone tie a shoe. If I observed someone doing so, I would wonder why. Players are responsible for their equipment to be on properly and stopping the game is not out job to make sure a player has things together. Of course I would give a player an opportunity to tie their shoe during a dead ball and before I put the ball in play, but I would not go looking to make sure someone had their shoes tied either.

Peace

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