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CDurham Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:20am

Whats your steps when calling a foul?
 
Do you call the foul, give the signal, then report?

Call the foul, give the signal and say the player number, then report?

Just call the foul and then report?

Or as I've seen actually Saturday, call the foul (half raised arm), walk around the 3 point line say the number and return to the proper spot (without stopping and giving # or signal to table).

Curious on everyones different steps when calling a foul!

Thanks

chartrusepengui Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:26am

have one worse than that. We have a couple guys - varsity level - that when in lead position will signal foul - then tell their partner what they've called and the partner in trail position reports to the table. No switch. They will literally call an entire half without switching.

We've tried talking to them but - they've been doing it this way for years and "it works" for them.:(

CDurham Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:31am

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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui (Post 650550)
have one worse than that. We have a couple guys - varsity level - that when in lead position will signal foul - then tell their partner what they've called and the partner in trail position reports to the table. No switch. They will literally call an entire half without switching.

We've tried talking to them but - they've been doing it this way for years and "it works" for them.:(

haha whats sad is thats at the Varsity level. If the NFHS wanted officials to relay the message to their partners it would be in the mechanics of a 3 man crew. BUT they clearly want us to switch and it makes us look alive and happy to be there.

JRutledge Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:35am

I try to go as close to the procedure as possible. Usually when it is a shooting foul I have noticed I might not give the preliminary signal as much as I should, but I still give the signals for 2 shots.

Peace

chartrusepengui Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:36am

I had a game with one of those guys once. At his whistle I froze watching. I didn't really look at him closely - just enough to know his fist was up and he was trying to communicate for me to report the foul. When I saw everything was calm I moved to endline and stood next to him. He asked if I reported the foul - I said "what foul?" :confused: I thought he was going to kill me. :p It was the longest game of my life.

Welpe Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:38am

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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui (Post 650550)
have one worse than that. We have a couple guys - varsity level - that when in lead position will signal foul - then tell their partner what they've called and the partner in trail position reports to the table. No switch. They will literally call an entire half without switching.

I've had a few varsity level partners that want to do that during middle school games.

Here is how I was trained and how I'm currently doing it.

1) Whistle and fist up
2) With fist up, announce color and number. "White 23"
3) Lower fist and give preliminary signal. At the same time, verbalize the foul. "Hold"
4) Indicate direction or number of shots. "Red" or "2 shots"
5) If shooting, indicate number of the shooter. "Red 15 is shooter."
6) If throw in, indicate throw-in spot.

Then go report color, number, foul, result.

"White 23, hold. Endline spot."

"White 23, hack. 2 shots."

Zoochy Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:35pm

Numb3rs
 
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 650569)
"White 23, hold. Endline spot."

"White 23, hack. 2 shots."

Do you say the whole number? Twenty-Three.
Or each digit? Two, three.
Personally, I state the whole number!

Welpe Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:37pm

Whole number. We were explicitly instructed NOT to say each digit separately.

chartrusepengui Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:41pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 650616)
Whole number. We were explicitly instructed NOT to say each digit separately.

We've been told the opposite - each digit seperately with hand signal.

Adam Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:42pm

Check local listings.

Welpe Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:43pm

"All mechanics is local." :D

Adam Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:44pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 650627)
"All mechanics is local." :D

You could see how they do it in Peoria, too. :)

JRutledge Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:57pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 650628)
You could see how they do it in Peoria, too. :)

Which one? ;)

Peace

tjones1 Tue Jan 12, 2010 01:08pm

Check local listings....but I say the whole number.

Hmm Peoria, I could go for some pizza right now, Jeff!

JRutledge Tue Jan 12, 2010 01:10pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 650642)
Check local listings....but I say the whole number.

Hmm Peoria, I could go for some pizza right now, Jeff!

Hoops it is. Just tell me when and I will try to be there. ;)

Peace

Vinski Tue Jan 12, 2010 01:15pm

1. Fist and whistle
2. Verbalize color and number(whole number)
3. Preliminary signal only if needed for clarification or a sell
4. Indicate and verbalize shots or spot and color putting it in for my partner.
5. Go to reporting area and stop
6. Signal the basket good and verbalize it (if this is the case)
7. Verbalize color and number (whole number – using one hand)
8. Signal preliminary – I don’t verbalized it.
9. Indicate and verbalize shots or spot and color putting it in.

Welpe Tue Jan 12, 2010 01:15pm

I could go for some Chicago deep dish. :D

I should also add that on a bang-bang block/charge, we've been instructed to go with:

1) Fist/whistle.

2) Signal and verbalize foul.

3) Report

For example, Tweet. "BLOCK!" or "OFFENSE!"

BBrules Tue Jan 12, 2010 01:18pm

both hands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 650616)
Whole number. We were explicitly instructed NOT to say each digit separately.

I was watching a GJV game about a week ago, 3 man crew. I thought they actually called a good game but their signals were very odd. One one play an official blew the whistle, up went the fist. When he reported the foul, he used two hands, ten second violation signal. I thought I had missed something...there was no 10 second violation. It was a foul but I couldn't hear what he said to the table. I looked for a #55...was none. :confused:About a minute later, 'tweet', fist goes up, and we get the ten second violation signal again, but this time I could hear what he was saying. Foul on #10. Now I understand. I'm just glad it wasn't on #12 - he'd have to take off a shoe to report.

IchiRef Tue Jan 12, 2010 01:18pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 650569)
5) If shooting, indicate number of the shooter. "Red 15 is shooter."

I have been nervous to implement this step, as I am afraid of reporting the foul on "Red 15." Of course, not doing this have lost the shooter before, although its usually something I pre-game (to help each other out on shooter)

Is it worse to loose the shooter or the player who fouled?...

I would rather loose the shooter, 99% of the time they step to the line.

Vinski Tue Jan 12, 2010 01:26pm

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Originally Posted by BBrules (Post 650649)
I was watching a GJV game about a week ago, 3 man crew. I thought they actually called a good game but their signals were very odd. One one play an official blew the whistle, up went the fist. When he reported the foul, he used two hands, ten second violation signal. I thought I had missed something...there was no 10 second violation. It was a foul but I couldn't hear what he said to the table. I looked for a #55...was none. :confused:About a minute later, 'tweet', fist goes up, and we get the ten second violation signal again, but this time I could hear what he was saying. Foul on #10. Now I understand. I'm just glad it wasn't on #12 - he'd have to take off a shoe to report.

Are you sure he wasn’t just indicating a push?

FrankHtown Tue Jan 12, 2010 01:42pm

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Originally Posted by IchiRef (Post 650653)
I have been nervous to implement this step, as I am afraid of reporting the foul on "Red 15." Of course, not doing this have lost the shooter before, although its usually something I pre-game (to help each other out on shooter)

Is it worse to loose the shooter or the player who fouled?...

I would rather loose the shooter, 99% of the time they step to the line.

Verbalizing the fouler lets the players and your co-officials know who the foul was called on. It kind of sucks when the calling official doesn't say anything, and as the players line up they ask you "Who was it on?" and your partner is 47 feet away at the division line, reporting.

True, but in our area (Houston) they want all the game officials to know who the shooter is. (I guess some coaches have.. umm "unintentionally" ...sent the wrong shooter to the line after a timeout, for example.)

BBrules Tue Jan 12, 2010 01:53pm

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Originally Posted by Vinski (Post 650659)
Are you sure he wasn’t just indicating a push?

Positive. As he was holding up his 10 fingers he said "White #10" then gave a signal for a illegal use of hands and verbalized it. I think he called it hacking.

BillyMac Wed Jan 13, 2010 07:14pm

We Were Talking About Fingers, Right ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 650633)
Which one?

The middle digit.

KJUmp Wed Jan 13, 2010 08:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IchiRef (Post 650653)
I have been nervous to implement this step, as I am afraid of reporting the foul on "Red 15." Of course, not doing this have lost the shooter before, although its usually something I pre-game (to help each other out on shooter)

Is it worse to loose the shooter or the player who fouled?...

I would rather loose the shooter, 99% of the time they step to the line.

It's embarrassing to lose either one. As a 2nd yr. newbie I've done both. This year I've been working hard not to have that happen (I'm a lot better...but not perfect). There was a thread last week about "tricks" to remember the numbers of the player who committed the foul, AND, the shooter if there is one...great thread BTW. As stated earlier, "all mechanics are local." In my neck of the woods the "absolutes" (what the evaluators are looking for) after you've called the foul are:
1) Hold your spot, (prelim signal optional/use to sell if necc.), eye contact with partner, let him know (a) if there will be shots, how many, &# of shooter (b) if no shots, team color and throw-in spot.

2) Move to reporting area, color, player# (whole # one hand), NFHS approved signal, # of shots, OR color of team & location of throw-in.

3) Switch on every foul (long switches can be pre-gamed).

I try to get the # of the player who committed the foul and the # of the shooter (if there is one) and I keep silently repeating them so I don't lose them....or can recall them if something sends me into brain lock....stuff happening between the players, coach piping up about the call, injured player, etc. AND I try to be slow and take my time (still not there yet).


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