Loudest partner yet
 

Last night 8th grade boys rec game - first time in about two years with this partner. I'd forgotten his "style". The best way to describe it is "overly demonstrative". He yelled each call at the top of his lungs. He was incredibly dramatic in his mechanics. When he called a block, he did that thing where you hop on one foot toward the table while hitting your hips with your fists three or four times and yelling "BLOCK". I'm sure they could hear his calls in the next gym.

At least I never had a problem with him communicating his calls. Everyone in that zip code knew what they were.

Oh yeah - just to top it off - he tossed the clock keeper out of the gym. At halftime, I asked him why and he just said, "The guy pi$$ed me off." Ooooohhhhh kaaaaay.

BTW - he actually calls a good game.

Wow. I can't even imagine a clock keeper being so annoying that you would......

Wait. Yes, I can.

We have a Rec League with a Ref who used to be like this......

One of my first lessons as a new official was the ole - "Remember, no one is here to see you ref the game" speech. For this new official, it was all about him. Loud, talking it up, made up signals, watch me, etc. Never had any formal training per se, but he gave it a shot and helped where he could.

I remember one game that was getting a little out of hand IMO (I was just watching) and he stopped the game got the ten on the floor to the center circle and gave everyone in the gym a speech about, "This isn't Duke vs North Carolina," etc. So all the boys and parents could here it. Folks were looking at me as if to say? :confused: I couldn't crawl under my chair, but wished I could have.

He turned out be a pretty good guy, still loud though, wow! I saw him on the court a few weekends ago and he's really toned it down and does much better now. Experience helps.

Brilliant.

Priceless!

wonder if the guy can still work concessions after he got tossed ?

If I were the timer I would have tossed your partner for interfering with table operations.

The timer probably wasn't listening to his instructions or was making comments out loud that had a negative impact on the game.

I am now scared to ever run the clock. congrats guys:rolleyes:

Does the banished clock keeper have to leave the visual confines of the gym?:D

Technically, it would depend on what was done or said wouldn't it?

Also, from a game management's POV is that person scheduled to do other games that night?

If that's the case, depending on the severity of what happened, the game management would then have to find other personnel to fill in for the other scheduled game(s).

The question is however: why was the timer tossed?

How can a member of the table crew toss an official for interfering with table operations?

I would never toss an official, however I might see about talking with the partner after the game about the situation & have a civil discussion about what I observed compared to what they observed.

Where the hell would you ever get the idea that a timer has power to do any more than keep time?

I have stated this in other postings, that I've been told before by officials that I've worked with that the table crew is an extension of the officiating crew.

The primary duty of the timer is to keep track of the time, yes, however there can be more to those duties depending on the game management & instructions given.

While you're an extension of the crew, you are not officials and you do not have the same authority officials have. An assistant coach is an extension of the coaching staff, but he does not have the same priveleges as the HC.

And if a timer ever approached me to discuss my partner's behavior or calls, I'd have a talk with the AD from that school the next morning.

For me it would be casual questioning, just to have a clearer understanding of what could/should be done differently from my POV, as well as the official's POV.

I never said have the same authority as the officials, those times I have mentioned something to the officials about something I have observed, I leave the final decision to them on how to act on what I'm talking about.

Chseagle:

Please check definition of 'rhetorical question'.

(HINT:It is not a request for your inane comments)

I am trying to have a better understanding of the duties besides what I have witnessed/observed.

How else can I have an understanding unless I ask questions or make comments?

A More Beneficial Alternative
 

How's it coming with that previously mentioned idea for you to start your own discussion board with fellow table personnel as contributors? That would be a great place to start!

Now!

No need to imagine anymore. All this is etched into my brain in lines of fire.

One time, I called a foul against the home team in a close game and the clock person gave me a "what the hell?" kind of look and dissented against me by waving his hand. I went over and quietly said "hey, don't do that to me again. You are part of the officiating crew and are supposed to be neutral. Keep your emotions and thoughts inside or I will have you removed and replaced by someone else." Didn't say a damn word to me for the rest of the game.

Nope! He already said he can't work concessions cuz he doesn't have his "food handler's card".

:D

I've removed a score keeper and clock operator from seperate games before.....NEXT!

I have neither the time nor desire to deal with "issues" during the game. Give me folks who are impartial, can check their agendas/attitudes at the door and pay attention - that's all I ask.

Leading to a formal admonishment and subsequent toss...

Can't imagine anything, other than an earlier warning and toss.

Have you ever made it that far without getting tossed?

Timer's Duties:

1) Start the clock. Always.

2) Stop the clock. In a reasonable period of time.

3) Answer specific questions about whether a shot was released or a foul was committed before the expiration of time. When asked by the referee.

4) STFU. Always.

I'm a bad ref
 

I had a hot mommy doing the scorebook at a local 7th/8th grade rec league. Her facial expressions were great. Big smiles when the fouls were on the other team and shaking head plus grimaces when they were on her son's team.

I know I should have said something, but the expressions were straight out of a well acted porno movie. :cool: The inner dog within me just enjoyed my scorekeeper. :)

I felt so ...dirty.;)

I always tell the timer before the game that if he forgets to start the clock, we'll yell at him, but if he forgets to stop it, we won't say anything. ;)

I haven't been tossed from table duties, as I've never given the officials any reason to toss me.

Then there are a few options to explain this.

1. You're coming across to the officials much differently than your words imply.
2. Officials there are taking way too much direction from the timer.
3. They're ignoring you. FWIW, "ignoring" can mean answering in platitudes because it's easier than telling you to drop it.

When I say stuff concerning rules/regulations, it doesn't happen every game, normally just one or two games a year. So that is something I'm not doing all the time.

I mention what I see as observations not anything else, as I leave it up to the officials to make the final decision on what action to take.

If I forget to start the clock, then I'm asleep at the controls & shouldn't be there at that time. If I forget to stop the clock, it's gonna be fans & coaches yelling at me due to not being able to see &/or hear the whistle/signal to stop the clock.

This makes me chuckle every time you say it. As if it is by choice that you "leave it up to the officials...."

With having the 2 coaches standing at the same time, I didn't quote the rulebook nor mention anything about what the penalty is. However, right before the Boys' Varsity game, the officials did give a warning to the visiting team before tip-off that only the head coach had box privleges, no one else.

It was the same crew that did the Boys' C-Squad game.

Did you have trouble running?:D

I just tied it to my ankle. :rolleyes:

Like, "Hey, bring me a water little fella." Or more appropriately, "You are to bring me a water at each quarter break, those are your instructions."

Nobody is indespensible, well almost nobody. No scorer? No problem, just bring down someone's Mom who knows the game outa the stands, show her what the buttons do, and we'll get by. No coach? Not a problem, The AD can fill in, or the Principle, play ball. No players? That could be a limiting factor. No game officials? One shows up, lets play. None at all, we got a liability problem, game canceled.

Leave him alone, he's in the process of getting a clue. Hows he supposed to get a clue if he can't act clueless?