Words can't describe.... this video.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am simply saying that I do not think it matters. In this case or any case the coach seemed to be to be geared up and has an anger problem. I have never seen a coach push his own players out of the way like they were adults to get at an official for anything. He would have been ejected by me long before the second T anyway.

Peace

Fair enough. Gotta say, I've never had such a hothead in 20+ years.

I have had coaches come on the court like in the first video and draw a technical. It's his reaction to the technical that I've not seen personally. My reaction would be to give him a second one in the same sequence -- would be nice if one of the other guys would've stepped in and done it, but considering the video, it wasn't going to happen.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Fair enough. Gotta say, I've never had such a hothead in 20+ years.

I have had coaches come on the court like in the first video and draw a technical. It's his reaction to the technical that I've not seen personally. My reaction would be to give him a second one in the same sequence -- would be nice if one of the other guys would've stepped in and done it, but considering the video, it wasn't going to happen.

I agree. I have never come close to seeing a reaction like this as a player, as a coach, as an official, or as an administrator.

[Upward ref]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

I agree. I have never come close to seeing a reaction like this as a player, as a coach, as an official, or as an administrator.

In good ol' Virginia ,I think they call it assault and battery. Especially if it's on your kid(s) !

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Fair enough. Gotta say, I've never had such a hothead in 20+ years.

I have had coaches come on the court like in the first video and draw a technical. It's his reaction to the technical that I've not seen personally. My reaction would be to give him a second one in the same sequence -- would be nice if one of the other guys would've stepped in and done it, but considering the video, it wasn't going to happen.

I did a BJV game a couple of years ago and stayed to watch the V game at one of the highest profile all boys HS in Cleveland. They were playing an undefeated and #2 team in the state. Referee in the V game ignited a firestorm at the game by overreacting to an innocent accident. After a made basket by HT, the ball came thru the net and bounced off the head of the V C and rolled away. Referee issued a delay of game warning and when the HC for the visitors questioned why, hr whcked the HC

A little background. When my partner and I came out at 15 minutes to 6 for the JV game warmups, the gym was packed. They were hanging from the rafters. The visitors brought SIX chartered busloads of drunk adults the 2 hours by bus it took to come to the game! So the crowd was raucous and the HT fans were greatly outnumbered this night.

In the second half, there was an apparently controversial call right by the half court line table side. I was leaning against the wall along the endline next to one of two police officers in the gym. The L was about three feet to my right and had roughly the same line of sight as I had. I realized as this controversial call was made that the L was watching the HC for the visitors. Sure enough, the HC stands up to protest the call and the L sprints down the sideline to issue the second T. The reaction in the video is nothing like the reaction from this guy. It took three assistand coaches to get him out of the gym as he just completely lost it. They almost carried him to the locker room. The game really degenerated from there and the game ended with the home team dribbing out the clock so that the officials could leave the court and be locked in the locker room with an armed guard and not allowed to leave until all the buses were loaded and gone. The AD insisted that I join them as he ddn't want to risk anything. It was the most unbelievable night of my career.

[constable]

first one should have been a flagrant- that would have negated the need for the second T.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

I did a BJV game a couple of years ago and stayed to watch the V game at one of the highest profile all boys HS in Cleveland. They were playing an undefeated and #2 team in the state. Referee in the V game ignited a firestorm at the game by overreacting to an innocent accident. After a made basket by HT, the ball came thru the net and bounced off the head of the V C and rolled away. Referee issued a delay of game warning and when the HC for the visitors questioned why, hr whcked the HC

A little background. When my partner and I came out at 15 minutes to 6 for the JV game warmups, the gym was packed. They were hanging from the rafters. The visitors brought SIX chartered busloads of drunk adults the 2 hours by bus it took to come to the game! So the crowd was raucous and the HT fans were greatly outnumbered this night.

In the second half, there was an apparently controversial call right by the half court line table side. I was leaning against the wall along the endline next to one of two police officers in the gym. The L was about three feet to my right and had roughly the same line of sight as I had. I realized as this controversial call was made that the L was watching the HC for the visitors. Sure enough, the HC stands up to protest the call and the L sprints down the sideline to issue the second T. The reaction in the video is nothing like the reaction from this guy. It took three assistand coaches to get him out of the gym as he just completely lost it. They almost carried him to the locker room. The game really degenerated from there and the game ended with the home team dribbing out the clock so that the officials could leave the court and be locked in the locker room with an armed guard and not allowed to leave until all the buses were loaded and gone. The AD insisted that I join them as he ddn't want to risk anything. It was the most unbelievable night of my career.

This story certainly doesn't paint that official in a positive light.

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This story certainly doesn't paint that official in a positive light.

No it doesn't. And he's one of my assignors.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

No it doesn't. And he's one of my assignors.

So is this in OH? No problem wearing the side panel shirts there for a HS game? Or is this a college game?

Based on looking at the floor markings, I thought this game was at the University of Minnesota Crookston (NSIC, Golden Eagles).

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

So is this in OH? No problem wearing the side panel shirts there for a HS game?

Not sure of the answer to the first question, but the OHSAA discourages the use of of side panel shirts.

Some officials around here use them anyway for non-tournament games, either (1) to show off that they do college too, or (2) to misleadingly suggest that they do college too.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Not sure of the answer to the first question, but the OHSAA discourages the use of of side panel shirts.

Some officials around here use them anyway for non-tournament games, either (1) to show off that they do college too, or (2) to misleadingly suggest that they do college too.

Depends on the part of Ohio you are in, as well. In Central Ohio, none of our assignors have a problem with us wearing panels. They would like us to match as a crew, but there are games when crews are mixed. I always have both with me. I prefer to match, but if I am working with two partners one wearing panels and the other not, well, matching becomes a challenge.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Some officials around here use them anyway for non-tournament games, either (1) to show off that they do college too, or (2) to misleadingly suggest that they do college too.

Or because it's slimming?

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

So is this in OH? No problem wearing the side panel shirts there for a HS game? Or is this a college game?

Based on looking at the floor markings, I thought this game was at the University of Minnesota Crookston (NSIC, Golden Eagles).

This is in MN @ Concordia U - St. Paul. It's a HS section semi final from 2008.

And wide panel shirts around here are worn by many people, no mandate either way from the state HS league. I prefer to wear regular shirts but I'm often the junior guy on the crew so I go with the flow.

[riverfalls57]

This game was a playoff game at Concordia College in St Paul. In MN it is OK to wear the side panel shirt. I have this team on Friday night.

[smginnis]

Originally Posted by riverfalls57

This game was a playoff game at Concordia College in St Paul. In MN it is OK to wear the side panel shirt. I have this team on Friday night.

Yea, I've seen the side panel as the new standard. Although the "breezy" side panel jerseys may go away due to the frequent piling. The important part is ensuring that both officials match. I would touch base with your partner.