You make da call

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There is nothing in the rule governing this situation that states the defender also has to be holding the ball to prevent the shot.

That was my whole point. I was answering a question.

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

How can you have your hands firmly on the ball without holding it?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

How can you have your hands firmly on the ball without holding it?

Anchor gave a pretty good example.

Originally Posted by Anchor

If the defender did a belly slide and grabbed the ball on each side while the guy had his hand on top would it be a held ball?

[FrankHtown]

JAR, I understand your point. The point I was trying to make concerns the player on the floor with his hand on the ball....not a defender blocking a shot.

Still the question is open: Does a hand on the ball while the ball is on the floor constitute holding the ball?

Has anyone ever seen a player dive for a loose ball, put a hand on it, and request a time out? Do you grant it or not? If you believe he/she is "holding" the ball, you should grant the time out. If you believe they are not holding the ball you let play continue. I'm of the school I'd grant the time out.

As Anchor said, if a defender then comes and puts their hand(s) on the ball, do you call a held ball? If the defender can't get it loose from the player on the floor with one hand on it, by definition, the player on the floor is "holding" it. I'd probably call a held ball also.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

JAR, I understand your point. The point I was trying to make concerns the player on the floor with his hand on the ball....not a defender blocking a shot.

Still the question is open: Does a hand on the ball while the ball is on the floor constitute holding the ball?

Has anyone ever seen a player dive for a loose ball, put a hand on it, and request a time out? Do you grant it or not? If you believe he/she is "holding" the ball, you should grant the time out. If you believe they are not holding the ball you let play continue. I'm of the school I'd grant the time out.

As Anchor said, if a defender then comes and puts their hand(s) on the ball, do you call a held ball? If the defender can't get it loose from the player on the floor with one hand on it, by definition, the player on the floor is "holding" it. I'd probably call a held ball also.

To me, holding the ball implies control. A player with the ball pinned to the floor can't do anything else with it except keep it pinned. I'm not granting this TO, and I'm not calling traveling, and I'm not starting a 5 second count.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

As Anchor said, if a defender then comes and puts their hand(s) on the ball, do you call a held ball? If the defender can't get it loose from the player on the floor with one hand on it, by definition, the player on the floor is "holding" it. I'd probably call a held ball also.

The ball needn't be held to have a held ball.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That was my whole point. I was answering a question.

And the least that you coulda done was thank me for providing rules backing for your point.

But that's OK.......