Signaling of Bonus
 

I know on the scoreboard, the bonus light is lit up underneath the team that gets the bonus after the penalty for the 6th team foul against the opposing team is administered.

However, if the scorers' table has the bonus signal, how should it be lit?

Lit towards the team bench that gets the bonus, or lit on that team's basket?

I never pay attention to that light (on the table). I would say the team's bench.

Team bench

I was always under the impression that when there's the bonus indicator on the table that it follows the AP.

The Varsity Scoreboard/Timer has been doing the team benches.

Just trying to figure out which way is the correct way.

I don't know if there is a "correct" way to do this, but I would prefer it to follow the AP protocol and be lit on the side towards the team's basket. Therefore, it would be on the opposite side from their bench during the first half of play.

Around here the light is on pointing toward the basket. About once a year I find a table that does it the other way. When I gently correct them, they always seem to look at me like I'm crazy.

Speaking of APs, what's the best AP you've seen?

What's the worse AP you've seen?

The best for me would be any of the light boxes on the scorers' table that has a toggle switch on it.

The worse would be the the that's being used in the secondary gym at my alma mater, a wooden arrow that spins around whenever the table gets bumped that has athletic tape on it to be more clearly seen.

Wow.

Just wow...

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Best: Dancing girls. It's best when they use the cast of Howie Mandel's game show.

Worst: A pencil. I wish I was kidding.

At Least The Bulb Never Burns Out, Al Gore Would Love It ...
 

I know that you're not kidding. Been there. Done that.

Worst: besides none, a soda bottle - cap points towards basket of next AP throwin.

Most all of our schools have provision on the scoreboard to indicate actual number of team fouls - I much prefer that to a simple bonus light. Even with either the bonus light or number of team fouls displayed, the reporting official should still look to the official scorekeeper for confirmation, which they are supposed to give per 2-11-10. I like to be proactive on bonus situations, so I usually ask the scorekeeper to let us know when each team hits 6 team fouls.

The big question is then: how many times does the official scorer actually signal the bonus without being asked?

Another question for everyone, do you prefer the player fouls being shown on the scoreboard, or should this just be up to the official book to keep track?

I rotate on the JV & C-Squad games on showing the player fouls on the scoreboard. Of course, I always keep track of the team fouls on the scoreboard.

When I was working scoreboard at 4A Regionals last February, we only kept track of the team fouls. It was up to the book to keep track of the player fouls.

It should happen everytime the bonus is in effect. I only ask when I have an "inkling" that we are at 7 or 10.


No preference. I won't look up to see. If the teams / fans want it, that's good for them.


It always is. In fact, it's also always up to the book to keep track of team fouls. The only "official" part of the scoreboard is the time, provided it was designated the official timepiece by the referee. This is why the scoreboard operator is the "timer" and the person keeping the book is the "scorer."

[QUOTE=chseagle;646323]The big question is then: how many times does the official scorer actually signal the bonus without being asked?

Another question for everyone, do you prefer the player fouls being shown on the scoreboard, or should this just be up to the official book to keep track?

Not my duties to track individuals fouls, So, I will not be concerned if they do or not.

I remember from when I was doing book, even if I was the visitors' scorebook, I'd always signal when bonus was in effect. I still do signal, even though not doing book.

My reasoning for asking about the player fouls on the board, is basically as a second record (as the scoreboard controls my alma mater uses has memory built in to keep track of the player fouls), & also a way for the coach to keep track without having to ask the book all the time.

Maybe I'll try that next time I do a game. Do nothing but the time on the scoreboard & let the book(s) get asked all the time about the score & the fouls.

Especially since, technically, all a timer has to do is keep track/tabs on the time in the game. Nowhere is it listed that the timer has to keep track of the score or fouls.

I was asking about the player fouls on the board, as I've seen it done in the past where the officials have noticed that the board lists a player with 5 fouls before the book says anything. So it can help expedite a game.

I hardly ever pay attention to the bonus on the table. And I always thought the light was pointed toward the bench. Then again, I do not pay attention to that in the first place. That is what the clock is for.

Peace

Rule 2-11-10: Signal in each half when a player commits a common foul beginning with his/her team’s seventh & 10th foul.

Rule 2-11-5: Record the personal & technical fouls called on each player & notify an official immediately when the fifth foul (personal & technical) is charged to any player, the second technical foul is charged to any team member, bench personnel, or directly to the head coach, or the third technical foul is charged to the head coach.

Actually both 2-11-5 & 2-11-10 state that the scorer needs to be in communication with the officials concerning fouls. Though I've seen it where the officials have had to ask the scorer about the foul situation, instead of the scorer letting the officials know of a person's 5th personal, or a team's 7th or 10th foul.

Especially since not all tables have the setup for signaling the bonus. Very true about the scoreboard though about the bonus being lit appropriately.

We're not concerned with tracking individual fouls. Whether or not they are displayed on the scoreboard is irrelevant as it's not official - by rule we have to be notified by the official book when a player DQ's on fouls, then there is a specific procedure that we must follow. A few seconds here or there isn't significant.

We really aren't concerned with tracking team fouls either, but it is useful to know when a team is getting close to the bonus or double bonus situation. That said, we still have to confirm it with the official book.

sseltser wasn't being facetious - with the exception of the time, everything else displayed on the scoreboard, while it may be useful, is not official. When push comes to shove, it's what is in the official book that counts.

Hence why in one of my earlier postings, I was saying that one of the times I'm doing scorebaord/timer, I'll just have the time displayed on the scoreboard & nothing else. This way the scorebook would have to be relied on 100%, instead of the coaches looking at the scoreboard for information.

No you won't.

Until I remove you, of course.

I'm spoiled, I guess. I work pretty much only varsity and juco ball these days, so we always have team fouls on the board. We signal each other at 6 and 9 and we're almost never surprised by a bonus situation.

I don't care about the bonus light on the scoreboard or at the table or at the reporting of the individual fouls on the board as I don't even look there.

I'd pay to see this.....
 

And then of course he'd just move to "crowd control" and provide the coaches, trainer, table, parents, EMT's, ambulance drivers, and the officials "advice" for the rest of the game...... ;)

You're joking, right? I'm asking this before I tell you what I really think of this idea.

Yes I am joking. Although it wouldn't surprise me if no one noticed since we don't get large crowds for C-Squad games.

If I was to do it, it'd be during a C-Squad game.

Good, I can delete that paragraph I wrote about a power trip. ;)

Glad to hear it - in the future you might want to use an emoticon to indicate that though......;)

A visible game clock and scoreboard are mandatory per rule 1-15 and an alternate device must be available in the event of malfunction.

No one said that the information on the scoreboard isn't useful...just that except for the clock, it's technically not official. By rule we have to confirm with the official scorekeeper. Mistooks happen - that's why the rules recommend the timer and scorekeeper be next to each other at the table so they can confer with each other. I take it one step further - if both teams have a book (and they should), I want both books to sit near enough to each other at the table that they can cross check to make sure everyone is on the same page.

While on the subject of the official book, most folks assume the home book is the official book - it usually is, but not necessarily. By rule, the referee is responsible for designating the official book.

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As long as there is one, it doesn't effin matter.



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No.

I will wait on the book to tell me before I take any actions.

The light in the light box was out the other night so we had a roll of toilet paper on top of it...until someone swiped it. I don't remember what we used after that, I just made sure the table was keeping track in the book.

Sounds like a Sh!ty Job...

1. If the scoreboard wasn't needed, it wouldn't be there in the 1st place. During the 4A Regionals last February, we had to use alternative devices due to technical difficulties with the scoreboard. For the timing of the game we were using stopwatches & IPhones. For the buzzer, the PA Announcer would either imitate a buzzer or say "end of period/quarter/half" over the PA.

2. I covered this under another topic. For the Varsity games at my alma mater, both books are seating right next to one another with the timer/scorebaord right next to the home book (official scorer). I am going to be implementing a similar table setup the next time I do the JV & C-Squad games (especially since for those games, it's normally a student designated by the coach that does the scorebook).

3. Generally yes it's the home book that is the official book, however there are a few exceptions, like the one time when I was Boys' Basketball Manager & we were the visiting team. In this instance the home team didn't have a scorebook, so I became the official book. I've never actually seen the officials fully designate an official book except in the case that there's only one book present.

Normally, I go and just verify. "Which one of you is the official book?" This is designating, IMO, and it tells me which face I need to address when I report.

Frankly, your first point contradicts itself. It's not "necessary" as evidenced by your ability to work without it. Notice you didn't use an alternative score display. It's definitely beneficial, but hardly necessary.

Unfortunately there was not an alternative score display available till later in that day. When that alternate display became available, it was used for both the time & score, as it was a little table-top scoreboard, neither bench could see it unless the coach stepped out onto the court.

Concerning the technical difficulties, the arena that the 4A regionals was being played in, is an arena that's normally used for hockey & arena/indoor football. Normally the Harlem Globetrotters do an annual game there as well, however for this setup, there were two courts. Each court had use of one of the main scoreboards with smaller scorebaords brought in to supplement. On this court, everything was working right before the the 1st game, but in the middle of the game the scoreboard controls did not want to communicate with the scoreboards. Because of this fact, is the reason why we resorted to using stopwatches & IPhones for timing devices.