Administrative T or not?
Team submits roster. Sometime in the 2nd quarter, #22 enters into the game. Player # 22 is not listed in the book. So Home scorekeeper enters the player, but does not inform the officials of this addition. :eek: Later in the game #22 enters the game. Now the visitor scorekeeper notices that this player is not in the scorebook. :confused:
'T' or too late? |
10.1.2
The foul must be charged when it occurs and enforced when the ball next becomes live. Once the ball has become live, it is too late to penalize. |
I hate this scenario. By rule, no T. I'd be tempted to have the score book replaced.
One option. Switch the official book to the visitor book due to incompetence, cheating, or both on the part of the home book. Give the T now that you're adding #22 to the newly official score book. I'm thinking out loud on this one, but I hate the thought of the home book being able to cheat on this, saving the home team from a technical foul. Edited to add: I'm assuming #22 is a home player. |
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Considering both books are supposed to have the same information at all times. |
Add To Or Change The Scorebook ...
A key point here, lost to most non-officials, is that the infraction is not that there wasn't a #22 listed, the infraction actually occurs when the scorer is advised to add to or change the scorebook. In a slightly different scenario, if the coach discovered that #22 was not in the book and chose not to have #22 play, there would be no infraction, and, thus, no technical foul.
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I've had this happen twice now. Last year, we penalized it with a T in a JH game and checked it at halftime when I discovered I was wrong.
It happened in a BJV game again a few weeks ago. We start the 4th quarter. At the first stoppage of play, the scorer calls us over and tell us that #10 had came in between quarters and she added him to the book. My partner says it is a T. I tell him that no, it is not a T because the ball had become live after the player had been added. He was skeptical but I told him I'm sure of it and I would take the heat if I was wrong. He called me a few days later and tried to try and claim that he was right. I pointed out the difference between "penalized when discovered" and "penalized when it occurs" and pointed out that there is a case play in the book this year that specifically covers this situation. I don't think he was convinced but I wasn't going to argue about it. |
Penalized when occurs
Can not a T still be assessed when the visitors' book adds the player even if the home/offical book has already added the player?
As long as it's discovered before the ball is put into play that is, or does anything having to do with the books only deal with the Home/Official Book? |
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Personally, I'd like to see this rule changed to penalized when discovered. |
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That said, the fact that the V book didn't catch it the first time is somewhat problematic. |
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