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gslefeb Sat Dec 19, 2009 05:31pm

Spacing for defense?
 
Team A's out of bounds. Team A stacks four players tightly together. The question B2 wants to get in between A1 and A2. If B2 requests - can the official force A1 and A2 to separate to allow B2 into the stack?

BillyMac Sat Dec 19, 2009 06:18pm

Get Out Your Protractor ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gslefeb (Post 644221)
Can the official force A1 and A2 to separate to allow B2 into the stack?

It depends. Are the four Team A players parallel, or perpendicular, to the boundary, and how close are they to said boundary?

Now before you answer, let me get out my sine, cosine, and tangent tables. Or better yet, here's a chance for me to use the new slide rule that I bought myself for Christmas. That's right, you heard me, it's brand new. They are still making them.

just another ref Sat Dec 19, 2009 06:21pm

See 7-6-5

grunewar Sat Dec 19, 2009 06:24pm

Protractor? Slide Rule?
 
BillyMac - I carry a lot of stuff with me to games.....but these two items are not among them! ;)

just another ref Sat Dec 19, 2009 06:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 644228)
Now before you answer, let me get out my sine, cosine, and tangent tables.

This is easy.

A sine is what says STOP at the end of the road.

Cosine is when you help your kids borrow money. (often ends badly)

Tangent is a small citrus fruit, kinda like an orange.

BillyMac Sat Dec 19, 2009 06:33pm

For Players, Coaches, and Fans ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 644231)
See 7-6-5

Teammates shall not occupy adjacent positions which are parallel
to and within 3 feet of the boundary line if an opponent desires one of the
positions.

Adam Sat Dec 19, 2009 06:39pm

Most stack plays are perpendicular to the OOB line, so it's legal. Whoever gets there first gets the spot. I've also seen the defense actually get there first and the offense try to move them. Either way, first to the spot gets it.

Scratch85 Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 644228)
Or better yet, here's a chance for me to use the new slide rule that I bought myself for Christmas.

I haven't done it in years but I would bet that I can still play "Mary Had A Little Lamb" on the slide. :)

Mark Padgett Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 644228)
..... here's a chance for me to use the new slide rule that I bought myself .....

I had a math teacher in HS who had a slide rule tie bar. :)

BillyMac Sun Dec 20, 2009 08:25am

Cool ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 644261)
I had a math teacher in HS who had a slide rule tie bar.

I remember those. They actually worked. My high school chemistry teacher had one. It would be worth big bucks today.

mbyron Sun Dec 20, 2009 06:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 644277)
I remember those. They actually worked. My high school chemistry teacher had one. It would be worth big bucks today.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1311/...2c83c83d55.jpg

representing Sun Dec 20, 2009 06:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 644239)
Teammates shall not occupy adjacent positions which are parallel
to and within 3 feet of the boundary line if an opponent desires one of the
positions.

So if A1 is taking the ball out of bounds and A2-A5 are standing shoulder to shoulder as per above (parallel to and within 3 feet of OOB line) and B1 wants to get in between A2 and A3, you have to let them? When does this have to take place, before you give the ball to A1?

EDIT: another question... what if B1 and B2 wants to get in between A2 and A3? Is it only allowing one opponent in between any two players, or can as many opponents request to get in between any two players?

just another ref Sun Dec 20, 2009 07:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by representing (Post 644382)
So if A1 is taking the ball out of bounds and A2-A5 are standing shoulder to shoulder as per above (parallel to and within 3 feet of OOB line) and B1 wants to get in between A2 and A3, you have to let them? When does this have to take place, before you give the ball to A1?

Yes, prior to the throw-in. See 7.6.5

Quote:


EDIT: another question... what if B1 and B2 wants to get in between A2 and A3? Is it only allowing one opponent in between any two players, or can as many opponents request to get in between any two players?
The rule says teammates shall not occupy adjacent positions. This would apply to both offense and defense.

bob jenkins Sun Dec 20, 2009 07:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by representing (Post 644382)
So if A1 is taking the ball out of bounds and A2-A5 are standing shoulder to shoulder as per above (parallel to and within 3 feet of OOB line) and B1 wants to get in between A2 and A3, you have to let them? When does this have to take place, before you give the ball to A1?

EDIT: another question... what if B1 and B2 wants to get in between A2 and A3? Is it only allowing one opponent in between any two players, or can as many opponents request to get in between any two players?

1) Yes and yes. Sigh.

2) Only one (because if there were two, then the offense could request to get in between those two)

gslefeb Sun Dec 20, 2009 07:34pm

adjacent?
 
adjacent posistions - Is this side by side as in BillyMac's post? Or front to back as in a "stack"? or both?

thanks..


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