A game you never want to have
 

In Maine HS basketball tonight....
Madison 106, Carrabec 11

If You Know What I Mean ...
 

Mark Padgett's dream game.

I did a JV/Varsity girls doubleheader several years ago where the final score in the JV game was 66-0. Surprisingly, the final differential in the varsity game was only 18 points. Still, I can't imagine getting beat by 95 points. Ouch.

A guy I took the officiating class with in 1976 went to Carrabec.

I was reading a sports forum in Kansas and the score between two league teams was 109-29. My high school is in the same league and I feel the score may be close to the same when they play the team that won.

A couple calls go the other way and the outcome could have been different!

There's a cross town rivalry near me where one school is the football/baseball school and the other is the basketball school. They tend to make statements in their games against each other in their respective sports. A few years back the boys varsity game ended 100-29. The second half was somewhat a dunk festival and quite entertaining.

Tonight I had a quirky combo...
 

JV girls, Visitors 59-2
Var girls, Home 70-26.

Here in Calif., running clock in the 4th period!

I'm guessing the right team won.

65-0

Rivals High - Starting from zero: Minn. HS dealing with shutout

Blame The Refs ...
 

If the officials hadn't missed a couple of calls, Carrabec would have won the game.

That is a very interesting story. That coach certainly seems to have the right attitude.

What about these two articles talking about a 100-0 game in Texas?

Rivals High - School seeks to forfeit 100-0 win

Rivals High - Unapologetic coach of 100-0 win fired by school

The coach of the school that scored 100 pts. stated his players played with honor & integrity.

Unfortunately, the coach probably has neither!

Well as the one article says, the coach was fired.

I wonder what the official scorebook for that game looks like concerning team fouls.

Yawn

on the plus side - overtime was not an issue.:)

Depending on the scorer it was likely one of the following:

Boxes with a slash through them.

Boxes with an X through them

Boxes filled in.

lol Bob. Maybe the curiosity seekers could request a copy of the official scorebook from that game. Of course, if the visitors won, I would not expect a swift response. I think the slash is probably what was used, but there may not have been many fouls called. At least on the losing team.

What about the writing implement? Mechanical or wood?

A confident scorekeeper always uses ink.

This is hilarious. We can poke fun but I think it's great you take your role as table personnel seriously. Had a lady on the book for V boys Tuesday night that didn't make it to the table until after the anthem because she was "eating pizza", looked at me like I was hypnotizing her while I reported, and complained about the visiting coach being out of the box all night. I'd take csheagle at the table any night over that lady or the "I've been doing this for 20 years" guy, the "this is my first game" guy or the "can we get this over with?" guy.

I'm meaning the number of fouls called overall & how many free throw attempts did each team have.

When I was doing scorebook, I'd just put a slash through them. For the running score, I'd do the slashes except during period breaks. For the end of the 1st & 3rd quarters, I'd shade in half the box. For the end of 2nd quarter & end of game, I'd shade the whole box in.

A Suggestion ...
 

I've seen scorekeepers change foul slashes into X's during halftime, to differentiate first half fouls, from second half fouls, which will just be slashes, just in case there is a problem down the road.

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Post #25

And you thought no one cared. :p

After rereading the articles about the 100-0 win in Texas, why didn't the floor officials call the game at halftime?

There seems to be some missing variables concerning the whole story.

Under which rule would they do that under? There's no mercy rule in Texas.

Very true, about having no mercy rule. How about the forfeiture due to unsporting conduct?

No way a game will be forfeited due to a team running up the scoring. While it may not be good sportsmanship, there are no provisions to do anything about it.

Had this happen Saturday night, Home Team: 68, Visiting Team: 8.

This was a Girls' Varsity game that started out with the Visiting team getting an administrative T for having the wrong starters listed right after tip-off.

The two teams involved were: Connell Eagles (Home), & Wahluke Warriors (Visiting). Watching Wahluke play, felt like watching a 3rd/4th grade team playing as throughout the whole game they couldn't get into any established plays.

Here's what the box store shows:
Connell 68, Wahluke 8

WAHLUKE (8)

Synthia Mungia 2, Karen Salazar 2, Thelma Jimenez 2, Jessica Martinez 2, Erazo, Munoz, Soliz, Tapia, Corrales, Sanchez. Totals 3-24 2-2 8.

CONNELL (68)

Brianna Casper 18, Riner, Easterday, Wells 2, McGary 9, Gibbons 5, Whitby 6, Bjorge 8, Booker 14, Withers 6. Totals 25-65 15-23 68.

Wahluke 2 0 2 4 — 8

Connell 20 18 13 17 — 68

Highlights — Brooke Gibbons 12 rbs; Maci Whitby 6 rbs, 8 stls; Sarah McGary 4 asts; Kayla Bjorge 4 asts, 6 stls.

Fakin' it
 

Dear Chseagle:
The whimsical question of concern as to your whereabouts expressed by some poster was strictly satirical.
Please go back under your rock....

Later

Designated Starters ???
 

Incorrect.

Penalized if discovered before ball becomes alive to start the game: A team shall not change a designated starter (with exceptions) after the ten minute time limit. Team technical foul. A maximum of one foul per team regardless of the number of infractions. If a player starts who was not designated to be a starter, the infraction has to be discovered, and penalized, before the ball becomes live to start the game. Once the ball becomes live, it is too late to penalize this specific infraction, and no penalty can be assessed.

I wasn't doing table operations for the game. One book had one set of five, the other book had different five listed. The official (home) book had the correct starters listed, the visiting book had 3 different personnel listed than the official book. Unfortunately, the person doing the Visitors' book was a 12-13 year old that really had no clue what he was doing.

Varisty Game?
 

What are they thinking?

I'm now very confused.

First, as BillyMac points out, once the game started, it's too late to assess the T. You said the T was assessed *AFTER* the tip-off. So, the officials were wrong here (if this is what happened).

Then, you say that the official book had the correct starters listed. So, there should have been no T at all.

What really happened?

Knew a couple of officials years ago that were evaluated during a girls game where the winning margin was about 70 points (and it wasn't that close). They absolutely got ripped for not hustling, inconsistent foul and violation calls, and several other things.

Don't know if anybody else has had that experience, but the soccer portion of our association adopted a policy that a score difference of x would not provide a sufficient backdrop for an "official" evaluation. Evaluators could still advise for a lop-sided game, but the evaluation could not count either in your favor or against you. Whether that is a good or bad idea is up for debate I suppose.

Like I stated, I wasn't doing table so I don't have the true 1st hand of what happened. However I was behind the table doing crowd control.

The administrative error was found as the ball was in the air for the jump ball. The official book was verifying the visitor starters with the visitors' book, before the ball was put into play, however this was not completed until after the jump ball. Only about 2-3 seconds had ticked off the game clock.

It seemed like no one had an understanding of what had happened until after the fact. The floor officials conferred before the administrative T was assessed.

If the official book was correct (and it seems it was from your description), the T should not have been given even if the visitors' book needed to be changed..

If the ball was tossed before it was recognized, it's too late; as has been pointed out.

Either the officials blew this one big time, or the version you received is not correct. My guess would be that you got an incorrect version of the events.

Here's a follow-up story to the team that beat 100-0 last winter. They won a game 34-33 last weekend according to the article.

Rivals High - Team that lost 100-0 ... finally gets a win

I'll bite, what does that entail?

C'mon
 

Why?

If you mean what was I doing behind the table doing crowd control, In the main gym, the table is located right in front of the hallway to the locker rooms. Since the visitors' bench is on the far sideline from the gym entrance, I was there to make sure only the teams & officials went into the hallway.

Speaking of bench setups, which is the normal setup: Home to the right of the table, or home team to the left of the table?

Back at ya..............why do you ask why?

Wondering if you're just "egging him on."

I've 'egged' him on in a few other posts and he's handled it pretty well.

He's had some amusing posts which beg further digging.

Just conversational, no attack mode.

Yes.

iow, both are used, it doesn't effen matter.

I was figuring that was the case as both setups are being used, I just wasn't sure if there was anything set in stone.

Thanks Bob

Why are you here? Seriously.

Be sure that you banish any non game participants who step on the playing surface :D

It is set in stone. The home team decides and the officials have nuthin' to do with it.

Now go find that in the rule book. It's in there.

Shoo, shoo.......

next we're going to have someone who handles concessions posting here.

The home team sets up on the side that is closest to the International Dateline. The visiting team sets up on the side that has the highest specific gravity. If both of those situations are on the same side, then the team whose school has the most left-handed students taking Latin gets their choice.

It's in the NF rulebook. Be sure to look it up. If you turn the book upside down, it's on the 14th page from the center as you turn the pages alphabetically by height.

He would look it up....if he could afford an NF rulebook.:rolleyes:

He's What You Call An Expert ...
 

Doesn't Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. run the football concession stand at his local high school? I guess that he would be our Forum concession expert, unless someone else steps forward.

Padgett,
Thanks for the precise directions, only took a moment to confirm. All books should be organized this way. Very easy and far more superior than using the index.

A new record for points scored for WIAA??
 

Saw this score tonight in a couple of news sources online. The two schools involved are both in Western Washington.

Federal Way 137, Kentlake 70

High School Sports | Federal Way scores 137 in victory | Prep Boys Basketball | Seattle Times Newspaper

There was a girls game last night involving a team close to here that ended 103-8.

I'd rather go 2OT (like I did last night).

No one here cares about whether a new record was set for points scored in a WIAA game. If you must post this stuff, post it on some board that cares about it.

(IOW, go away, fan boy.)

+1

Said the guy with the power.:D

Well, here is one you really don't want. Complete blow-out AND a fight.

Yates boys set Texas scoring record in 170-35 win | High School Sports | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle