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Earthmaster Wed Dec 16, 2009 02:08pm

Clock starts when?
 
On a free throw no one rebounds the basketball on a missed attempt and the ball hits the floor. Does the clock start when the ball hits the floor or when a player touches the ball?

RookieDude Wed Dec 16, 2009 02:10pm

When the ball touches a player.

Smitty Wed Dec 16, 2009 02:10pm

When the official signals the timer to start the clock. ;)

tjones1 Wed Dec 16, 2009 02:11pm

Player touches the ball and the officials chops the clock in.

5-9-3

Indianaref Wed Dec 16, 2009 02:12pm

If the official neglects...then the timer is authorized to start the clock.

Ignats75 Wed Dec 16, 2009 02:43pm

When I chop it and not before!

chseagle Wed Dec 16, 2009 05:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 643068)
When the ball touches a player.

If the timer cannot clearly see the start clock signal, the clock starts as soon as an inbounds player has the ball.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 643069)
When the official signals the timer to start the clock. ;)

Thankfully after free throw attempts, most of the time the timer can visually see the official signal fot the clock to start.

Adam Wed Dec 16, 2009 06:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 643176)
If the timer cannot clearly see the start clock signal, the clock starts as soon as an inbounds player <strike>has</strike> touches the ball.

I fixed it for you. The way you worded it implies possession is required for the clock to start, and that's not the case.

chseagle Wed Dec 16, 2009 06:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 643179)
I fixed it for you. The way you worded it implies possession is required for the clock to start, and that's not the case.

Just because the ball bounces off a player's back or chest, does not mean the ball's live. I've been told in those situations, that if I cannot see the start clock signal to make sure the player has control of the ball via dribble or hold. Generally use the same mechanics as would for shot clock.

Adam Wed Dec 16, 2009 06:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 643183)
Just because the ball bounces off a player's back or chest, does not mean the ball's live. I've been told in those situations, that if I cannot see the start clock signal to make sure the player has control of the ball via dribble or hold. Generally use the same mechanics as would for shot clock.


1. The ball is "live" as soon as it's in the shooter's hands.
2. The clock is supposed to start as soon as it touches a player on the rebound. If I miss the signal (happens), the clock operator has rule authority to start the clock as soon as it touches a player. Control is not required. I don't know who told you that, but they were wrong.

Rule 5-9-3: If a free throw is not successful and the ball is to remain live, the clock shall be started when the ball touches or is touched by a player on the court.

Mark Padgett Wed Dec 16, 2009 06:50pm

In our local kids rec league, the clock usually starts when I yell CLOCK!!! :D

bob jenkins Wed Dec 16, 2009 09:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 643183)
Generally use the same mechanics as would for shot clock.

The game clock and the shot clock have completely different rules on when they should start / stop.

BillyMac Wed Dec 16, 2009 09:34pm

"That's all I can stands and I can't stands no more!" (Popeye)
 
That's it. We've got to get chseagle a NFHS rulebook, casebook, and maybe a mechanics manual. I really appreciate his willingness to ask questions and learn, but his background as a scorer/timer limits his ability to understand the rules from an official's viewpoint. I'll chip in a buck. Anybody else? Or, maybe he can ask Santa?

chseagle Wed Dec 16, 2009 09:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 643259)
That's it. We've got to get chseagle a NFHS rulebook, casebook, and maybe a mechanics manual. I really appreciate his willingness to ask questions and learn, but his background as a scorer/timer limits his ability to understand the rules from an official's viewpoint. I'll chip in a buck. Anybody else? Or, maybe he can ask Santa?

At least I'm making somewhat of an effort to learn, even if it is limited. :)

BillyMac Wed Dec 16, 2009 09:46pm

I'll Stop Learning When I Stop Breathing ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 643265)
At least I'm making somewhat of an effort to learn.

That's for sure. You just joined and already have 138 posts. Keep up the good work. Eventually we'll be needing you to give us some help on how the table crew works, and how we can be a better "partner" to the crew.

But, please, get a rulebook and casebook. Soon.


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