Tim Donaghy tells all?
 

Just saw a television promo that Tim Donaghy will be on 60 minutes tonight (Sunday). Maybe he's just going to be giving out the spread on all the BCS bowl games. :D

Good because I need some help with my betting...I want to be as successful as he was ;)

-Josh

disgraced former Ref will act disgracefuly
 

I'd like to think maybe he'd show some remorse for his using his position as one of the best at his trade to place bets and then influence outcomes of the games he was working, err, betting on (yeah, working). He was caught and he is disgraced. But more likely he will pitch his book by backing up his assertions claiming he was just doing what other referee's do, and the difference is that he was caught. Probably some truth in that too. After all, referee's, are human too, and no less likely to do stupid crap just like anyone else.

The NBA is all political anyway. With the egomaniacs that call it, (see Joey Crawford for example), does any of this "player punishing" or "favoring" surprise anyone? Heck no!

Does anyone seriously think Donaghy has any credibility whatsoever?

Watching now. What a crock of S---

I agree.

Peace

He did not seem sincerely remorseful.

Must be hard to fake remorse when the interviewer is schilling your "tell-all" book for you during the interview.

Blech!:rolleyes:

I found the discussion on AI "the Answer" interesting....especially when they showed the look of bewilderment on his face on the game film.

Apparently the producers at 60 Minutes. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I have been an avid watcher of 60 Minutes since it first went on the air, but I did not watch it last night because Tim Donaghy had nothing to say that I wanted to hear unless he was going to give a heart felt apologize to the entire (including soccer officials, :D) sports officiating community for the disgusting thing that he did. He had the best sports officiating job in the world and he totally urinated on it and every sports official that came before him.

MTD, Sr.

I just ordered the book last night. I'm kind of interested to listen to some of the allegations that he has put in writing, may be complete bs or some actual fact, the only one who ultimately know what went on is Donaghy himself.

Anyone else ordered the book or have any feelings? I know the feelings wont be strong but it's kind of like a train wreck, you cant help but look.

Was there a bloody sock?

To those people who saw that last night:

Sorry you wasted an hour of your time.

I watched it, found it interesting and not a waste of time. To each their own.

I can help it. I'm not in the least bit interested.

Including soccer officials?? Easy there, Mark..... We all know who has to run the longest and the most out there.... :D Yup, the soccer officials..

I did not find it a waste of time. It was interesting. It confirmed what I already knew about the man. And I loved how they tried to make a correlation to how many times he picked the right team. Hell, anyone can do that when you are intimately involved in an organization and you know a lot of inside information. Hell I can pick most winners of the high school teams I have and it does not matter who officiates to come to that conclusion. I have yet to have a team lose that I thought was going to win. This is why we call games where teams are not supposed to win, "Upsets."

Peace

Yea, but for me, they lost their credibility a long time ago. Too much like Geraldo and a sort of Rolex version of Jerry Springer. Gag.

I thought the interview was interesting. I certainly don't trust everything he says to be truth, but you do have to wonder how he was able to get an 80% win rate if everything he says wasn't true. Just sayin'...

Rut - I don't think he meant he just picked winners that much, he meant he picked the teams that beat the spread that much. That's certainly not easy to do. In gambling terms, that's what "winner" means.

What I find most interesting about this thread is that Jeremy feels its ok to dump on his fellow officials without any facts and just speak in platitudes. Klassy. :rolleyes:

As Rut points out, intimate knowledge of the teams will give you that edge. I'll bet the players could do the same thing if picking between two other teams. I'd also bet Donaghy could have done just as well betting on teams he wasn't officiating.

If you had watched the interview, you'd know that he did bet on many games he wasn't officiating. It was the knowledge about how certain officlals felt about certain players/coaches/owners that were major indicators on how the games would turn out. I don't think betting the spread and winning 80% of the time is easy in any professional sport. He had inside info from other refs. That's compelling.

Sorry, but I find nothing he says to be compelling. Knowing how other officials call games (tight, loose, etc) and how much crap they take from players could give him this information. This is the intimate knowledge that Rut is alluding to.

I officiated H.S. soccer for 13 years. I am allowed my snide comments about them from time to time. Please do not take it personally.

MTD, Sr.

I agree with you, but he has information that the average person does not have. He knows the players, coaches and officials intimately. I am sure if I had that information I could get most picks right. It is not like he got 100% right, he got 75%-80% right. And he would also talk to the officials before the game and know who was playing and who was not playing that night. Now he obviously is an intelligent guy as well and probably knew how to bet very well also. But he did not say anything that convinced me that there was a set up to make those outcomes happen. And according the FBI that was shown to also be the case as well.

I guess I do not get the "He was not sincere" aspect. He did not need to be for me to draw a conclusion. Maybe I am just naive, but I do not think we have as much control over games outcomes as many people think we do. And there was an example where Tim D, bet on the Spurs to win a game and he threw out the head coach and they lost and he lost his bet.

Peace

I'll add one more thing. Chances are he only bet on games where he thought he had information that would help him; further increasing the odds of success.

I know that when we, as officials, get into "game mode", many of the calls just come virtually automatically without us having to stop and think about them - and that's how it's supposed to be. I wonder if that's what happened in this case.

I saw and heard an interview that Tim D did on the Scott Van Pelt Show. It seemed like he did not want to "indict" anyone else of his behavior. Scott's side kick (I cannot think of his name) thought that Tim D was deflecting responsibility as he never really had evidence. They talked about the Portland-Lakers series several years ago that many people have claimed was fixed and the "sidekick" said that the Trailblazers missed 13 straight shots. Then Tim D could not say there was anything there unless he saw the tape. It is clear to me that Tim D does not have any evidence of anything other than what he did. And his claim in this interview was that he basically was wrong on "insider trading" not fixing games or claiming anyone fixed games. He even said he was the only one. Now if he was not the only one, he would be able to prove it or suggest more than by innuendo.

Peace

Also - did any of you notice that the interviewer, while showing one of the Iverson videos, referred to "palming" as a foul? I guess that's to be expected.

He's So Shy and Bashful ...
 

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: C'mon. Tell us what you really think. Don't hold anything back. Let it all out. It's unhealthy to keep things pent up inside.

Billy:

I know that you and I are having fun here, but he really is a dirt bag and a scum bag. He is even lower that the scum of the Earth.

MTD, Sr.

You Can Do Much Better Than That ...
 

And that's your best shot? That's all you got? Show some initiative.

Mark, Lead NBA Negotiator Agrees with You.......
 

The lead negotiator (Lamell McMorris) and spokesman for the NBA's referees says Tim Donaghy made threats against him, and that the disgraced former official's accusations about his colleagues shouldn't be believed because he is a "compulsive liar."

NBA referees spokesman criticizes Donaghy, alleges threats - USATODAY.com