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eyezen Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:17pm

False double foul
 
Needs some clarification on whether this play was kick or nailed...

NFHS

A1 at line shooting 1st of 1and1

A2 fouls B2

FT successful

clear lane shoot second and award B ball OOB on the endline (run or spot depending on second FT)

tjones1 Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:27pm

A false double foul is a situation in which there are fouls by both teams, the second of which occurs before the clock is started following the first, and such that at least one of the attributes of a double foul is absent.

Sounds like it to me.

That's what I've got... 4.19.9 Situation A is similar and supports your ruling.

Keith..... did you have this tonight?! :D

AKOFL Tue Dec 01, 2009 02:30am

They each carry their own penalty so I'm not sure about the run of the end line. I think it would be a spot throw-in.

tjones1 Tue Dec 01, 2009 08:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 638833)
They each carry their own penalty so I'm not sure about the run of the end line. I think it would be a spot throw-in.

As Keith said, it depends on the second free-throw. Read 4.19.9 Situation A, it will clear it up for you.

bob jenkins Tue Dec 01, 2009 09:06am

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Originally Posted by eyezen (Post 638821)
shoot second


Depends on when the foul (A2's foul of B2) happened. If it was while the ball was in flight, then you got it right. If A1 was still holding the ball (even in his "continuous motion"), then the ball became dead immediately and A1 will shoot both the first and second FTs before continuing as you describe.

Adam Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 638833)
They each carry their own penalty so I'm not sure about the run of the end line. I think it would be a spot throw-in.

tjones is right. It's the same as if, during an endline throwin, B2 fouled A2 and the spot would be along the same endline. You would not take away the endline throwin from A, or B would gain an unintended advantage by the foul.

constable Tue Dec 01, 2009 01:31pm

I often wonder how often false double fouls etc get called.

6 years and I've yet to call one.

jdw3018 Tue Dec 01, 2009 01:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by constable (Post 638947)
I often wonder how often false double fouls etc get called.

6 years and I've yet to call one.

False double fouls happen all the time. And I'd bet you've called one.

A foul during rebounding action before the clock has started after a free throw is a false double foul. A foul during a throw-in resulting from a foul is a false double foul. (These situations assume that a team member from opposing teams, not the same team, committed the fouls.)

It's not uncommon at all.

Adam Tue Dec 01, 2009 03:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by constable (Post 638947)
I often wonder how often false double fouls etc get called.

6 years and I've yet to call one.

jdw is right. I'll bet you've called one. Here's an example from my days in Iowa.

B1 called for a blocking foul as A1 is crossing the division line. After a warning, as I walk past A1 to administer the free throws, he earns a T.

Back In The Saddle Tue Dec 01, 2009 03:23pm

Almost... :)

You don't call a false double foul. You call two separate fouls, each based on their own merits, that when taken together meet the criteria for a false double foul. A T following a personal foul is probably the most common example.

jdw3018 Tue Dec 01, 2009 03:32pm

Harumph!

And touché. :o

Back In The Saddle Tue Dec 01, 2009 03:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 638979)
Harumph!

And touché. :o

Sorry, wasn't meaning to bust anyone's chops. :)

Adam Tue Dec 01, 2009 03:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 638983)
Sorry, wasn't meaning to bust anyone's chops. :)

I call "Bull sh11."

jdw3018 Tue Dec 01, 2009 03:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 638983)
Sorry, wasn't meaning to bust anyone's chops. :)

If I thought you were busting my chops, I would have stopped at harumph. ;)

Adam Tue Dec 01, 2009 03:55pm

Well I took it personally.


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