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fullor30 Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:13pm

Arbiter buys ABW
 
Just got an e-mail from assignor who heard the news. Anyone else catch this?

bas2456 Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:23pm

Yup, saw the announcement on one of my ABW pages. Just got an email as well from one of my assignors saying they will look at all options before making a decision.

tjones1 Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:23pm

Doesn't the NCAA own Arbiter?

Back In The Saddle Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:26pm

ABW? :confused:

tjones1 Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 637241)
ABW? :confused:

Assign By Web

fullor30 Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 637237)
Yup, saw the announcement on one of my ABW pages. Just got an email as well from one of my assignors saying they will look at all options before making a decision.


Must be same assignor.......JL

tjones1 Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 637244)
Must be same assignor.......JL

JL?? Does he have a famous football scorecard?

bas2456 Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 637244)
Must be same assignor.......JL

That would be correct

ODJ Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 637238)
Doesn't the NCAA own Arbiter?

Yes. And the cost went up even though collegiate assignors joined on.

Back In The Saddle Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:54pm

The announcement on the front page of their site doesn't really sounds like ArbiterSports bought ABW. It sounds like ABW threw in the towel, but made arrangements with ArbiterSports to transition their clients there.

tjones1 Fri Nov 20, 2009 01:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 637249)
The announcement on the front page of their site doesn't really sounds like ArbiterSports bought ABW. It sounds like ABW threw in the towel, but made arrangements with ArbiterSports to transition their clients there.

I just read their main page and agree with BITS.

JRutledge Fri Nov 20, 2009 02:07am

This should be interesting. About 90% of my games are with ABW.

I heard they will go out of business on December 31.

Peace

tjones1 Fri Nov 20, 2009 02:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 637260)
This should be interesting. About 90% of my games are with ABW.

I heard they will go out of business on December 31.

Peace

Jeff,

According to the letter posted on their website, that is correct.

https://www.assignby.net/main.php

fullor30 Fri Nov 20, 2009 09:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 637260)
This should be interesting. About 90% of my games are with ABW.

I heard they will go out of business on December 31.

Peace


Once you're up to speed on Arbiter, you'll never look back. Far superior in every aspect IMHO

JRutledge Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 637261)
Jeff,

According to the letter posted on their website, that is correct.

https://www.assignby.net/main.php

One of my close friends and partner uses this site. He was contacted directly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 637287)
Once you're up to speed on Arbiter, you'll never look back. Far superior in every aspect IMHO

I already use the Arbiter and used this program first. I cannot stand ABW because of the fact everyone sees your assignments. I can limit that on the Arbiter. I am glad that they would have to use the Arbiter over ABW any day.

Peace

Robert E. Harrison Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:09am

Zebra Web
 
One of my assignors switched to Zebraweb.org from ABW.
Very similar to ABW.

gordon30307 Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 637260)
This should be interesting. About 90% of my games are with ABW.

I heard they will go out of business on December 31.

Peace

From the perspective of one of the grunts in the field. I've been getting games using the arbiter longer than ABW. Arbiter is far superior. IMHO.

ODJ Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordon30307 (Post 637306)
From the perspective of one of the grunts in the field. I've been getting games using the arbiter longer than ABW. Arbiter is far superior. IMHO.

Not 'far,' but better, yes.

JRutledge Fri Nov 20, 2009 01:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ODJ (Post 637313)
Not 'far,' but better, yes.

No, far better. :D

Peace

rwest Fri Nov 20, 2009 02:23pm

No, you're both wrong....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 637321)
No, far better. :D

Peace

Arbiter isn't just better, or far better, it is far, far, superior!:D

Adam Fri Nov 20, 2009 02:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwest (Post 637336)
Arbiter isn't just better, or far better, it is far, far, superior!:D

I'd say it's GRRRRRRRREEEEEEEAAAAAAAT!

rwest Fri Nov 20, 2009 02:25pm

Tony the Tiger!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 637337)
I'd say it's GRRRRRRRREEEEEEEAAAAAAAT!

Thanks Tony the Tiger!

Welpe Fri Nov 20, 2009 02:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 637337)
I'd say it's GRRRRRRRREEEEEEEAAAAAAAT!

You and your love obsession with breakfast foods. You don't happen to like green eggs and ham by chance? :)

Adam Fri Nov 20, 2009 02:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 637341)
You and your love obsession with breakfast foods. You don't happen to like green eggs and ham by chance? :)

Neither here nor there.

rwest Fri Nov 20, 2009 02:59pm

Dr Seuss is in the House!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 637343)
Neither here nor there.

He will not eat them with a goat, He will not eat them on a boat.
He will not eat them with a coach, He will not eat them on a couch.

Sorry, the best I could do. Couldn't think of anything that rhymes with Coach!

Adam Fri Nov 20, 2009 03:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwest (Post 637344)
He will not eat them with a goat, He will not eat them on a boat.
He will not eat them with a coach, He will not eat them on a couch.

Sorry, the best I could do. Couldn't think of anything that rhymes with Coach!

Poach.

rwest Fri Nov 20, 2009 03:03pm

Ok....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 637345)
Poach.

Anything that makes sense that is! Smarty Pants! :D

chartrusepengui Fri Nov 20, 2009 03:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwest (Post 637344)
He will not eat them with a goat, He will not eat them on a boat.
He will not eat them with a coach, He will not eat them on a couch.

Sorry, the best I could do. Couldn't think of anything that rhymes with Coach!

Roach! :eek:

rwest Fri Nov 20, 2009 03:09pm

Ok
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui (Post 637350)
Roach! :eek:

That makes sense and doesn't make me lose my lunch!

Adam Fri Nov 20, 2009 03:20pm

Can you poach a roach? You can poach an egg.

Welpe Fri Nov 20, 2009 03:22pm

Only if you bag over your limit of roaches.

fullor30 Fri Nov 20, 2009 03:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 637321)
No, far better. :D

Peace

Add one far to the above..........

Camron Rust Sat Nov 21, 2009 01:14am

I just picked up an ABW customer from the NH/Mass. area on RefTown....got all of his stuff converted and ready to roll in a just a few hours.

I've also spoken with an assignor from Chicago who is part of a group of assignors and hope to speak with them some more.

All I can say is that that RefTown is always comes out favorably when givean a true comparison with any other product.

I'm also offering a full year free for anyone converting from ABW. Why? I know they'll be satisified and stay. I've pick up other ABW customers in the past and they have never looked back.

amusedofficial Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:29am

Smooth Transition Vowed; Minions Double Over Laffing
 
When the IT people promise a smooth transition in a conversion from one program to the other, cover the young 'uns ears, because it usually isn't and the language is about to get very colorful

RefItUp Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:01pm

Indeed; I saw the message the other day and informed our Assignor. This will be chaos during the transition between the two. I can see it now. And that's if I assume correctly, that we are going with the other company.

Welpe Sat Nov 21, 2009 09:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 637460)
When the IT people promise a smooth transition in a conversion from one program to the other, cover the young 'uns ears, because it usually isn't and the language is about to get very colorful

From my experience in the IT field, it's usually not the IT folks making these promises, it is the people in sales. :rolleyes:

BillyMac Sun Nov 22, 2009 02:27am

Do You Have A Pointy Haired Boss ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 637517)
From my experience in the IT field, it's usually not the IT folks making these promises, it is the people in sales.

You've been reading Dilbert.

mbyron Sun Nov 22, 2009 08:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 637517)
From my experience in the IT field, it's usually not the IT folks making these promises, it is the people in sales. :rolleyes:

And they're often told what to say by the managers who made the original deal, who seem to understand IT approximately as well as my cats.

umpref Tue Dec 01, 2009 02:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 637438)
I just picked up an ABW customer from the NH/Mass. area on RefTown....got all of his stuff converted and ready to roll in a just a few hours.

I've also spoken with an assignor from Chicago who is part of a group of assignors and hope to speak with them some more.

All I can say is that that RefTown is always comes out favorably when givean a true comparison with any other product.

I'm also offering a full year free for anyone converting from ABW. Why? I know they'll be satisified and stay. I've pick up other ABW customers in the past and they have never looked back.

I have used RefTown and Arbiter. I can say that RefTown blows Arbiter away in every way from a user perspective.

Now if Cam could just link calendars from different associations so that availability if updated across your user account instead of per association, that would be cool! ;)

But, I really prefer RefTown over Arbiter any day of the week. FAR easier for the user to understand.

Welpe Tue Dec 01, 2009 03:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 637538)
You've been reading Dilbert.

Reading? I live it! :eek:

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 637548)
And they're often told what to say by the managers who made the original deal, who seem to understand IT approximately as well as my cats.

Sounds about right. About as annoying as the managers that view IT simply as an "expense".

fullor30 Tue Dec 01, 2009 03:47pm

Every major assignor in Chicago area that was using ABW just signed up with Arbiter............Yeh!

Camron Rust Tue Dec 01, 2009 06:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by umpref (Post 638964)
I have used RefTown and Arbiter. I can say that RefTown blows Arbiter away in every way from a user perspective.

Now if Cam could just link calendars from different associations so that availability if updated across your user account instead of per association, that would be cool! ;)

But, I really prefer RefTown over Arbiter any day of the week. FAR easier for the user to understand.

I don't know who you are but thanks for the kind words.

Released that upgrade last night...to a degree. When you accept a game in one association, you can optionally have it mark you as not available for that date for your other associations. You choose which ones get updated. For example, you could accept a HS game, have it mark you out for rec leagues but leave you open for a possible college assignment.


Making the calendars all in one seems like a good idea until you realize that they often end up with different info. You don't want your calendar to show you as not available on the association where you have a game. You might wish to reserve dates for one assignor by blocking out the others until your preferred assignor gets their schedule entered.

I might look at an extra layer of caledars....one that applies globaly but that just might get too complicated for most users to comprehend given that RefTown availability calendars already have the most flexibility of any I've seen.

For those on ABW, I just created an custom import routine where I can upload data exported from ABW in less than an hour...possibly as little as 15 minutes in some cases....all rosters, games, assignments....just about every thing a group would need to be running in less than a day. And I'm offering a free year just to try it out. A no-lose situation.

IREFU2 Wed Dec 02, 2009 09:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 637460)
When the IT people promise a smooth transition in a conversion from one program to the other, cover the young 'uns ears, because it usually isn't and the language is about to get very colorful

I totally disagree with this statement. I am an IT person and we dont make such promises. The sales people sell stuff and we have to make it work.

tjchamp Wed Dec 02, 2009 04:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IREFU2 (Post 639108)
I totally disagree with this statement. I am an IT person and we dont make such promises. The sales people sell stuff and we have to make it work.

Our sales people pull the same stunts here.

Cobra Wed Dec 02, 2009 05:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by umpref (Post 638964)
I have used RefTown and Arbiter. I can say that RefTown blows Arbiter away in every way from a user perspective.

Now if Cam could just link calendars from different associations so that availability if updated across your user account instead of per association, that would be cool! ;)

You say that RefTown is better than the Arbiter in every way then right away say something that you wish RefTown did that the Arbiter does....:confused:

umpref Thu Dec 03, 2009 02:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra (Post 639220)
You say that RefTown is better than the Arbiter in every way then right away say something that you wish RefTown did that the Arbiter does....:confused:

Well, RefTown now DOES it. ;) I knew Cam would have something like that coming soon.

umpref Thu Dec 03, 2009 02:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 639007)
I don't know who you are but thanks for the kind words.

Released that upgrade last night...to a degree. When you accept a game in one association, you can optionally have it mark you as not available for that date for your other associations. You choose which ones get updated. For example, you could accept a HS game, have it mark you out for rec leagues but leave you open for a possible college assignment.


Making the calendars all in one seems like a good idea until you realize that they often end up with different info. You don't want your calendar to show you as not available on the association where you have a game. You might wish to reserve dates for one assignor by blocking out the others until your preferred assignor gets their schedule entered.

I might look at an extra layer of caledars....one that applies globaly but that just might get too complicated for most users to comprehend given that RefTown availability calendars already have the most flexibility of any I've seen.

For those on ABW, I just created an custom import routine where I can upload data exported from ABW in less than an hour...possibly as little as 15 minutes in some cases....all rosters, games, assignments....just about every thing a group would need to be running in less than a day. And I'm offering a free year just to try it out. A no-lose situation.

Cam, you can figure out who I am by remembering a recent email I sent concerning my disapproval of a college group I belong to changing to another assigning program. I was also in your first year class in the PBOA last year.

I just seen that update about marking a date unavailable. Now, if you could do something to the effect of the accepted game time range being marked unavailable, that would be awesome.

For example: I belong to two associations that assign via RefTown, and both do similar level of games (in this case, the NWOLLC and the THBOA). I accepted games for NWOLLC. It would be cool if I could mark THOSE TIMES as being unavailable with the THBOA, plus an additional hour after the last game. This way, if say, I only had 2 games at 9am and 10:30 with NWOLLC in the morning, I could still be shown as available for games from 1pm and later with THBOA. This is not an unlikely scenario! You could safely assume that a game will last at least 1.5 hours and add an hour (for travel) to the end of that last game as unavailable times.

I am not sure that Arbiter can even do that. I don't have any overlapping associations with Arbiter.


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