cross over dribble
 

Just curious on what others think about the above the waist cross over dribble move. This seems to have become a relatively common cross-over dribble move.

The dribbler pushes the ball from one hip across his body above his waist and releases the ball on his other hip. I have been seeing this a lot in NCAA-M this year and in the last couple of years. It is never called as a carry so I guess it is legal. What do others think about this move?

It is only a carry if it fits the rules that says it is a carry. Just because you see something does not mean it is illegal.

Peace

rule:
 

Palming or carrying is when a player gains an advantage when the ball comes to rest in the player's hand, and the player either travels with the ball, or dribbles a second time. There is no restriction as to how high a player may bounce the ball, provided the ball does not come to rest in a player’s hand. Steps taken during a dribble are not traveling, including several that are sometimes taken when a high dribble takes place. It is not possible for a player to travel during a dribble.

You are exactly right. But how many of us are just going to call this when a player is on the perimeter and no one is guarding them? Or when the player is coming up the court from the back court and there is no pressure?

Peace

Not unless it's egregious.

Another gray area, hard to define.


"Come on, ref! That was egregious!!"

LOL.
fixed it for you. :)

First, I wanna agree with the other people who are saying that NECESSARILY there doesn't have to be advantage gained. I don't know how much it happens in women's ball but in men's players like to do a little shimme shake to throw off a defender and in the process they allow tge ball to come to rest but yet they go nowhere and don't beat the dribbler. These are good palming violations to take bc it betters the game especially if you can get it early in the game.

Secondly, on the topic of the play in the OP, he is exactly right. Taking the ball from one hip, cupping it and pushing it to the other side, especially with a closely guarded defender, is a violation and should be called more often in my opinion. This move is, in fact, very advantageous since the player never really has to cross over, allowing the def. Just the opportunity to make a steal. He/she now has no chance at it. Granted, like I said earlier if it is obvious enough u still have to call it. Being justified on tape is all you need!

What is exactly "comes to rest in the player's hand"?
 

"comes to rest in the player's hand"

Can you say that any force against the gravitation force count as comes to rest? (meaning when player make force on the ball from bottom, delaying the time that it takes the ball to fall by newton rules of gravitation)

Is it ok to dribble while you always touch the ball according to gravitational force?

You can say it. Most people won't understand it, imo.

I found the following definition online for "come to rest."

to stop; to slow down and stop


If the ball stops in the dribblers hand, it is a violation. What qualifies as a stop in this case? How long is too long? Difficult to define in words.

Kinda like feeding a goldfish: so much and no more

Kinda like pornography: can't tell you what it is, but I know it when I see it

People often say a travel is not a travel just because it looks funny. A carry sorta is a carry when it looks funny.

One point which I think is certain, and is often misunderstood, the hand does not have to be directly under the bottom of the ball in order for it to be a carry.

Pornography And Obscenity, I Know Them When I See Them ...
 

You mean "obscenity"? Got any examples for us to check out?

In 1964, US Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart famously opined in an obscenity case that it was exceeding difficult to define obscenity, “but I know it when I see it.”

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far From The Tree ...
 

NFHS Rule 11-1-A: g = 9.81 m/s2 = 32.2 ft/s2. Good rule to memorize.

I guess I need to add an accelerometer to my equipment list. Does Honig's carry them?