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mendi Fri Nov 13, 2009 08:47am

"The hand is considered part of the ball when the hand is in contact with the ball
 

"The hand is considered part of the ball when the hand is in contact with the ball. This includes holding,
dribbling, passing, or even during a shot attempt. Striking a ball handler or a shooter on that player's hand that is
incidental to an attempt to play the ball is not a foul, no matter how loud it sounds or how much it hurts."


Is it true that its not foul when somone holding the ball and im trying to steal the ball, and accidently slapping his hand?

bob jenkins Fri Nov 13, 2009 09:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mendi (Post 635944)

"The hand is considered part of the ball when the hand is in contact with the ball. This includes holding,
dribbling, passing, or even during a shot attempt. Striking a ball handler or a shooter on that player's hand that is
incidental to an attempt to play the ball is not a foul, no matter how loud it sounds or how much it hurts."


Is it true that its not foul when somone holding the ball and im trying to steal the ball, and accidently slapping his hand?

Yes, it's true.

mendi Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:18am

I never saw that.
 
in real games it always foul when touching....:cool:

grunewar Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:33am

Rule 4-24
 
ART. 2 . . . It is legal use of hands to reach to block or slap the ball controlled
by a dribbler or a player throwing for goal or a player holding it and accidentally
hitting the hand of the opponent when it is in contact with the ball
.

Raymond Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mendi (Post 635986)
in real games it always foul when touching....:cool:

If you never saw it what made you ask?

Adam Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mendi (Post 635986)
in real games it always foul when touching....:cool:

Not in my games.

bob jenkins Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 636001)
Not in my games.

Then apparently you don't work real games (according to Mendi).

Adam Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 636008)
Then apparently you don't work real games (according to Mendi).

There are a lot of nights that would lead me to believe this is true.

fiasco Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:28pm

Any contact against your team is a foul. Any contact against the other team is "incidental." Just ask your coach.

Mark Padgett Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:29pm

My guess is that Mendi works under FEEBLE rules. Maybe they're different. I don't know and I really don't want to know. ;)

JRutledge Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mendi (Post 635986)
in real games it always foul when touching....:cool:

You obviously have not seen my games. ;)

Peace

just another ref Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 636018)
My guess is that Mendi works under FEEBLE rules. Maybe they're different. I don't know and I really don't want to know. ;)

They have metric hands?

mendi Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:58pm

Scenario
 
*Player A1 jump to shot hugging the ball with two hands. the ball is exposed from the top.

*Player B1 start to move his hand to slap the ball from the top.

*An instant before B1 slapping the ball A1 sliding one hand on the ball to protect the exposed direction.

*Result: A1 is yelling because player B1 slapped his hand.


Foul?

Adam Fri Nov 13, 2009 01:03pm

No foul. A1 needs to stop whining.

mendi Fri Nov 13, 2009 01:09pm

Lol.
 
There is no chance in street ball that they will not request foul on this.

thanks.

zm1283 Fri Nov 13, 2009 01:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mendi (Post 636038)
There is no chance in street ball that they will not request foul on this.

thanks.

Well thankfully we're not playing streetball and players in real games can not "request" fouls.

mendi Fri Nov 13, 2009 01:35pm

You are not.
 
I am.

zm1283 Fri Nov 13, 2009 01:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mendi (Post 636047)
I am.

Why are you here then? We don't referee streetball. There are no referees in streetball. There are no set rules in streetball. Don't ask questions if you don't want correct answers.

Adam Fri Nov 13, 2009 01:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 636050)
Why are you here then? We don't referee streetball. There are no referees in streetball. There are no set rules in streetball. Don't ask questions if you don't want correct answers.

mendi comes around occasionally to request rule clarifications for his pick-up games. Relax.

Although it is funny that he refers to "real games" when he's addressing pick-up ball.

Back In The Saddle Fri Nov 13, 2009 03:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 636044)
Well thankfully we're not playing streetball and players in real games can not "request" fouls.

I often have players and coaches make such "requests". ;)

Adam Fri Nov 13, 2009 03:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 636083)
I often have players and coaches make such "requests". ;)

I do, too. I try to oblige when I can, but they don't always like it when I do.

Back In The Saddle Fri Nov 13, 2009 03:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 636084)
I do, too. I try to oblige when I can, but they don't always like it when I do.

I've often wondered why the "your foul request is granted" signal uses the letter "T" instead of the more logical "G". Must be one of those historical artifact things. :shrug:

JRutledge Fri Nov 13, 2009 08:04pm

Learn something new everyday.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mendi (Post 636047)
I am.

They play street ball in Israel?

Peace


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