New Two Person rotation?

[jritchie]

Just hard to sink in when you go back and forth between 2 and 3 person night in and night out. It was just an bad change I think, don't like it at all. Tried working in our girls junior high games the last couple weeks and hate it, but like everything else, will get used to it I guess.

[Da Official]

Originally Posted by jritchie

Just hard to sink in when you go back and forth between 2 and 3 person night in and night out. It was just an bad change I think, don't like it at all. Tried working in our girls junior high games the last couple weeks and hate it, but like everything else, will get used to it I guess.

Jritchie, I understand your frustrations due to CHANGE, but like other officials have mentioned we've been calling it this way in the state of Texas for years and there hasn't been any problems. Keep working at it and it will become as natural as giving a coach a technical. Peace!

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by jritchie

Just hard to sink in when you go back and forth between 2 and 3 person night in and night out. It was just an bad change I think, don't like it at all. Tried working in our girls junior high games the last couple weeks and hate it, but like everything else, will get used to it I guess.

I think it's actually closer to 3-man now, with staying tableside. At lead you have to remember to go to the other side of the lane, but if you're reporting you now stay there regardless.

That said, what I don't like about it is that in 3-man the trail's duties can be performed from a place nearer the division line and not potentially right in front of an upset coach. I routinely stay near the division line until a FT with live ball action afterwards unless I specifically want to communicate with a coach. In 2-man you'll have to be in front of the team bench regardless of the situation.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I think it's actually closer to 3-man now, with staying tableside.

The problem is the reporting official only stays table side when FT's are to be attempted. That isn't anything like 3-person.

I've tried to think of all the reasons that the Fed would have to make this change and none of them seem worth while. IMO, the change is not an improvement. I hope they change it back in the future.

That being said, like most others, I don't think it is a big deal and it won't take much getting used to. Kind of like standing at the division line during timeouts for 2-person. If they (NFHS) wanted 2 and 3-person mechanics more similar, they should have left us on the blocks and the top of the key.

[zm1283]

It's not really that big of a deal. I've found that some fellow officials don't realize that the calling official is supposed to stay as the Trail on shooting fouls. So if the Trail calls a shooting foul, there is no switch. Some people I've worked with still think you switch on every foul.

[Rufus]

We've called 2-whistle this way for a couple of years (since I started back a couple of years ago I mean, may have been going on longer) so it's not that big a deal.

Making the transition to 3-whistle, however, is something else as the lead since I'm used to looking at the benches/scorer's table. I had an evaluator give me the cue "Show your butt to the bench" when you're the lead on FT. I'll remember it forever because of that (and subsequently where everyone else is supposed to be in 3-man) but still chuckle every time I think of it.

[Back In The Saddle]

I've had no problem with the change. I've found myself working T more like a three person game, however. On the first shot I'm back near the center line, to better handle bringing in subs. Then I move down on the final shot.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I've had no problem with the change. I've found myself working T more like a three person game, however. On the first shot I'm back near the center line, to better handle bringing in subs. Then I move down on the final shot.

The one thing I don't like about this new mechanic is the late subs during the second free throw. Being opposite, I can better observe this.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

The one thing I don't like about this new mechanic is the late subs during the second free throw. Being opposite, I can better observe this.

I agree. The L can really help here.

[cdaref]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

The one thing I don't like about this new mechanic is the late subs during the second free throw. Being opposite, I can better observe this.

Amen. We did a couple summer league games with this mechanic. It was wierd having subs sneak up behind you, since you really need to be scooted down a bit to watch the freethrow, you cant just sit there at the table. It will take getting used to. Not my favorite.

[Vinski]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

The one thing I don't like about this new mechanic is the late subs during the second free throw. Being opposite, I can better observe this.

How do you handle this in three-man?

[constable]

I'm glad IAABO states and provinces didn't adapt the new mechanic. I found for the few games I used it I wasn't paying as much attention to the players as I was the benches.

[chanmancut]

It's not the same as a three person mechanic in the sense that the referee reporting the foul stands, as a general rule, at the 28 ft. line in 3 man. In two man you'll have a coach so close to you he'll be in your officiating uniform as T during a FT. It sounds like there quite a few guys that have done it this way for a while tho and there haven't been any problems, so we'll see. I haven't done any games this way yet and I'm a little skeptical that the # of T's thrown will go up, but we'll see! I'm glad to get you guys' info on this; I was afraid it would be like the timeout mechanic where one ref stands at halfcourt and the other stands where the ball was to be inbounded. Our association scrapped that one after 2 weeks!!! Thanks guys!!!

[PIAA REF]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I've had no problem with the change. I've found myself working T more like a three person game, however. On the first shot I'm back near the center line, to better handle bringing in subs. Then I move down on the final shot.

You are at the division line on the first free throw attempt. Does this mean free-throw shooters never violate on the first attempt? Whether you like the change or not go to the correct place for all attempts. Violations can occur during any shot, and you at the division line missing a violation in a tied game with 3 seconds remaining could be a big deal. Just some food for thought.

[mbyron]

How many of you are biting your tongues on the word 'switch'?