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bob jenkins Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:00pm

Unannounced Rules Book Changes
 
Two found so far (and it's hard because we don't get new rules or case books in IL this year):

2-5-1 changed

3-4-2d added.

Why can't (or why doesn't) the NFHS shade these changes / additions? I agree that they probably aren't important enough to make they yearly memo, or discussion, but if would be nice if they were noted in the books.

Back In The Saddle Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:18pm

Bob, I haven't gotten my books for the year yet. And I don't have my copy of the .pdf version here at work. Would you, or anybody else, mind posting what those changes are?

wanja Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 630894)
Bob, I haven't gotten my books for the year yet. And I don't have my copy of the .pdf version here at work. Would you, or anybody else, mind posting what those changes are?

Nice catches Bob.

A few years ago, IAABO allowed the referee to designate another official to toss the jump ball. This is now allowed per the 2-5-1 rule change that you cited.

The 2009 NFHS test contained a question on the rule 3-4-2d addition allowing a school or conference logo/mascot at the apex/opening of the neckline.

mbyron Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 630894)
Bob, I haven't gotten my books for the year yet. And I don't have my copy of the .pdf version here at work. Would you, or anybody else, mind posting what those changes are?

2-5:

The referee shall:
ART. 1 . . . Designate the official to toss the ball in the center restraining circle
for all jump-ball situations.

3-4:

ART. 2 . . . Logos/flags/patches shall adhere to the following:
d. A school or conference logo/mascot may be located at the apex/opening of
the neckline.

Jerry Blum Wed Oct 14, 2009 01:07pm

What's the difference for 2-5? I thought that was added last season. Unless the wording has been changed this year. I don't have the books with me to compare.

jdmara Wed Oct 14, 2009 01:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 630898)
2-5:

The referee shall:
ART. 1 . . . Designate the official to toss the ball in the center restraining circle
for all jump-ball situations.

I didn't think that was true in years past! I missed that question and thought I was just loosing my mind (which isn't a surprise though)

-Josh

Adam Wed Oct 14, 2009 01:12pm

I thought it was changed last season, but that could have been an IAABO/CO thing.

jdmara Wed Oct 14, 2009 01:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 630908)
I thought it was changed last season, but that could have been an IAABO/CO thing.

2008-2009 says:

"SECTION 5 REFEREE’S DUTIES DURING GAME
The referee shall:
ART. 1 . . . Toss the ball in the center restraining circle for all jump-ball situations."

Glad Bob pointed out the change because I was looking earlier to find what rule set that the referee shall toss the ball.

-Josh

jritchie Wed Oct 14, 2009 01:18pm

That was changed last season, because I remember discussing it in our assoc. meeting. We have an official that would never be the referee because he didn't want to toss the ball, so we said that rule was put in for him. Now he can designate someone to throw. You really had to be their, funny stuff

Ch1town Wed Oct 14, 2009 01:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 630908)
I thought it was changed last season, but that could have been an IAABO/CO thing.

I believe it is an IAABO thing as the R had the option last season. I like having options :)

fiasco Wed Oct 14, 2009 01:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jritchie (Post 630910)
That was changed last season, because I remember discussing it in our assoc. meeting. We have an official that would never be the referee because he didn't want to toss the ball, so we said that rule was put in for him. Now he can designate someone to throw. You really had to be their, funny stuff

It was definitely changed, but it was put in a rather obscure place, I think maybe the officials manual.

This was just clarifying the change. Nothing more to see here...

Back In The Saddle Wed Oct 14, 2009 03:14pm

I believe the NFHS made this a mechanics change last year, and put it in the officials manual. But the rule book still required the referee to toss. I remember noticing the contradiction and thinking they'd pooched that one. This change fixes that.

BillyMac Wed Oct 14, 2009 06:05pm

ChChChChChanges ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 630885)
2-5-1 changed
3-4-2d added.

Why can't, or why doesn't, the NFHS shade these changes/additions? It would be nice if they were noted in the books.

Agree. Nice catch. Thanks for the tip.

Nevadaref Thu Oct 15, 2009 04:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 630953)
I believe the NFHS made this a mechanics change last year, and put it in the officials manual. But the rule book still required the referee to toss. I remember noticing the contradiction and thinking they'd pooched that one. This change fixes that.

You are correct, O' Great One! :D

JRutledge Thu Oct 15, 2009 05:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 630885)
Two found so far (and it's hard because we don't get new rules or case books in IL this year)

I got books. :D

Peace

M&M Guy Thu Oct 15, 2009 08:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 631019)
I got books. :D

Peace

Hey! What makes you so special?!? :D

JRutledge Thu Oct 15, 2009 09:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 631035)
Hey! What makes you so special?!? :D

Either attend or apply to help run a class and you will get rulebooks too. ;)

Peace

M&M Guy Thu Oct 15, 2009 09:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 631051)
Either attend or apply to help run a class and you will get rulebooks too. ;)

Peace

Think about it - do you want me teaching?... :eek:

Btw, are they the actual 2009-2010 books? I thought the Fed. was only printing books every 2 years? Or is the IHSA only sending us books every 2 years?

mbyron Thu Oct 15, 2009 09:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 631052)
Think about it - do you want me teaching?... :eek:

Btw, are they the actual 2009-2010 books? I thought the Fed. was only printing books every 2 years? Or is the IHSA only sending us books every 2 years?

We got 2009-10 books in Ohio. :p

You can download the new books at the NFHS website (if you're a member). Eventually that will be the only way to get them.

JRutledge Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 631052)
Think about it - do you want me teaching?... :eek:

Btw, are they the actual 2009-2010 books? I thought the Fed. was only printing books every 2 years? Or is the IHSA only sending us books every 2 years?

Yep.

No the IHSA wanted to save expenses and just mail them out bi-yearly. And the NF is thinking seriously about not having rules changes except for every 2 years anyway. The NF is still producing books, but look at the changes we have had this year? We have one change and we are not even using the change in Illinois anyway.

Peace

Grail Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:42pm

Just ran a program to compare last years rule book to this years (gotta love having the books in PDF format).

The only other differences I found were the change in term from bench area to time out area, and a clarification in rule 4-19-13:
ART. 13 . . . A team foul is any personal foul or technical foul (except indirect
technical fouls) which is charged to either team. All team fouls are counted to reach the bonus free throw.

They added the part about indirects.

bob jenkins Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grail (Post 631081)
Just ran a program to compare last years rule book to this years (gotta love having the books in PDF format).

Thanks. Can you do the same with the case books?

mbyron Thu Oct 15, 2009 01:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 631086)
Thanks. Can you do the same with the case books?

For all the sports in the forum?

Padgett might ask for croquet as well -- just ignore him.

Grail Thu Oct 15, 2009 01:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 631086)
Thanks. Can you do the same with the case books?

Unfortunately, last years posted casebook was a scan of the book, and not a full fledged PDF file so it can't be compared.

jdmara Thu Oct 15, 2009 02:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grail (Post 631106)
Unfortunately, last years posted casebook was a scan of the book, and not a full fledged PDF file so it can't be compared.

Wow! I didn't know that Adobe had that feature. I'm checking out the casebook as we speak. I'll let you all know

-Josh

jdmara Thu Oct 15, 2009 03:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 631086)
Thanks. Can you do the same with the case books?

I'm shocked but every major change is noted :eek:

The only change I noted in the comparison is that "Horn", "The final horn sounds", etc is changed to "signal", "Expiration of time", etc to align with the addition of the rules change concerning the use of an LED light for the expiration of time.

"1-14; 5-6-2 When a red light behind the backboard or an LED light on the
backboard is present, it is permitted to signal the expiration of
time in the quarter/extra period. If no red/LED light is present, the
audible timer’s signal will continue to signal the expiration of time."

Learned something new today. I didn't realize that Adobe had the feature to compare documents. Too bad it doesn't do it well for "secured documents". Had to work around that feature

-Josh


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