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zac Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:00am

Test question help
 
Just finished the test but could not find rule on two questions so thought I would ask the experts on the board. #94-"Basket interference may occur during a free-throw attempt." I can't see why not, but can't find the rule. Also, #62-"During free-throw attempts resulting from technical foul, substitutes may be made only after the final attempt has been converted". My original thought is that substitutes have to wait until both technical free-throws are attempted.

Thanks for the help and a good season to all!

BktBallRef Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:27am

True. BI can occur on a throw-in for that matter.

False. That rule only applies to FTs for personal fouls.

Clark Kent Thu Oct 29, 2009 01:38am

Reference/Citation?

bob jenkins Thu Oct 29, 2009 07:58am

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Originally Posted by Clark Kent (Post 633518)
Reference/Citation?

4-Basket Interference. Contrast the wording with 4-Goaltending.

rsl Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:04am

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Originally Posted by zac (Post 628920)
Also, #62-"During free-throw attempts resulting from technical foul, substitutes may be made only after the final attempt has been converted". My original thought is that substitutes have to wait until both technical free-throws are attempted.

We had a good discussion on this a few weeks back:

<a href="http://forum.officiating.com/basketball/54804-substitution-question.html">substitution question</a>

tjchamp Fri Oct 30, 2009 09:09pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 628928)
True. BI can occur on a throw-in for that matter.

How can you have BI on a throw in? If ball pass through without touching player first, it's a throw in violation. If it touches a player, then it's a shot followed by BI.

just another ref Fri Oct 30, 2009 09:15pm

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Originally Posted by tjchamp (Post 633883)
How can you have BI on a throw in?

Ball enters the cylinder. Player touches the ball or the basket. Basket interference.

tjchamp Fri Oct 30, 2009 09:40pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 633884)
Ball enters the cylinder. Player touches the ball or the basket. Basket interference.

Okay, BI does not have to be during a shot. My bad.

bradfordwilkins Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:16pm

So then if the throw-in started from outside the 3 point arc, is it a 2 or 3?

just another ref Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:24pm

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Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins (Post 633889)
So then if the throw-in started from outside the 3 point arc, is it a 2 or 3?

Surely you jest.

Back In The Saddle Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:24pm

NFHS 9-11 Penalty 1. If the violation is at the opponent’s basket, the opponents are awarded one point if during a free throw, three points if during a three-point try and two points in any other case.

A throw-in is not a try

NFHS 4-41-2 "A try for field goal is an attempt by a player to score two or three points by throwing the ball into a team’s own basket. A player is trying for goal when the player has the ball and in the official’s judgment is throwing or attempting to throw for goal. It is not essential that the ball leave the player’s hand as a foul could prevent release of the ball."

I believe that technically every throw-in starts outside the three point arc as the definition of the three point line indicates that it ends at the inside edge of the OOB line.

BillyMac Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:54am

Another Myth Bites The Dust ...
 
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 633884)
Ball enters the cylinder. Player touches the ball or the basket. Basket interference.

It is not basket interference if the player touches the basket while the ball is in the cylinder. It is basket interference if the player touches the basket while the ball is touching the basket, or is in the basket.

It's one of the Most Misunderstood Basketball Rules: A player cannot touch the ball, ring, or net while the ball is on the ring or within the basket. A player cannot touch the ball if it is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring. These are examples of basket interference. It is legal to touch the ring or the net if the ball is above the ring and not touching the ring, even if the ball is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring.

BillyMac Sat Oct 31, 2009 01:02am

Slightly Off Topic, But A Reminder For Rookies ...
 
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Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins (Post 633889)
So then if the throw-in started from outside the 3 point arc, is it a 2 or 3?

A player eighty feet away from the basket throws the ball into the air as high as it can possibly go without hitting the ceiling. The trajectory of the ball is such that the ball reaches the apex of its arc, and then descends in such a manner that it bounces about two inches behind the three point line, bouncing high into the air, after which it enters the basket. Two points, because the try ends when the throw is certain to be unsuccessful, or when the thrown ball touches the floor. Also, if the horn ending the period sounds while the ball is in the middle of its trajectory from the floor to the basket, before it enters the basket, then the ball becomes dead, and the basket will not count.

just another ref Sat Oct 31, 2009 01:03am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 633895)
It is not basket interference if the player touches the basket while the ball is in the cylinder.

Yeah, yeah. But the ball had to enter the cylinder before it could be on or in the basket. My answer was the simplified, condensed version of how it could be BI on a throw-in, not a full report of the BI rule itself.

That's what we have you for. :D

BillyMac Sat Oct 31, 2009 01:14am

Low Hanging Fruit, Easy Pickins ...
 
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 633897)
That's what we have you for.

I got lucky this time. Right place. Right time. Right situation. Notice how often I post about jump stops and traveling, or players coming off the bench during a fight. I leave those tough situations for the esteemed members, and I just sit back, observe, and learn.


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