Ball hits player already out of bounds
 

Played in a pick-up game last night. On a rebound, the ball got deflected and hit a player (A1) already out of bounds. The ball didn't bounce out of bounds first - it hit him in the air.

I know this is out of bounds off A1. But, there was an argument, and I promised to send the rule reference / case to back me up.

Could someone please provide? Thanks!

An official arguing with a player? So it ain't so :)

RULE 7 OUT OF BOUNDS AND THE THROW-IN
Section 1 Out-of-Bounds - Player, Ball
ART.2...The ball is out of bounds when it touches:
a.) A player who is out of bounds.

I don't have my rule book handy, but tell them that the ball isn't out of bounds until it hits something out of bounds, whether that be the floor, the wall, bleachers, etc. If it hits a player while they're standing out of bounds, they are the last one to touch it when it went out of bounds.

Who are these clowns you're arguing with?

Just a bunch of knuckleheads that believe all the old wives' tales.

Here is the complete set of relevant rules.

RULE 7 OUT OF BOUNDS AND THROW-IN
SECTION 1 OUT-OF-BOUNDS - PLAYER, BALL
ART. 1 . . . A player is out of bounds when he or she touches the floor, or any object other than a player, on or outside a boundary. For location of a player in the air, see 4-35.
ART. 2 . . . The ball is out of bounds when it touches:
a. A player who is out of bounds.

SECTION 2 CAUSING THE BALL TO GO OUT OF BOUNDS
ART. 1 . . . The ball is caused to go out of bounds by the last player to touch or to be touched by it, before it goes out, provided it is out of bounds because of touching something other than a player.
ART. 2 . . . If the ball is out of bounds because of touching or being touched by a player who is on or outside a boundary line, such player causes it to go out.

RULE 9 VIOLATIONS
SECTION 3 OUT OF BOUNDS
A player shall not cause the ball to go out of bounds.

I bet the argument was not that it wasn't OOB but about who caused it to be OOB...the person who threw it off something (a player) that was OOB or the player who was OOB.

That was exactly the argument. Tipped off someone jumping for a rebound, and it landed on a guy already out of bounds. "Couldn't have been off him, he was already out of bounds!".

I'm lucky, I play pick up ball 1-2 times a week here on base. One of the other regulars is one of my mentors and he's a D1 official. Our group of players has learned to not even to argue on rules anymore. Now if I can just convince the fellas that it's not "boxing out" when you use your back and a$$ to push someone 5 feet from the basket during a rebound, especially when the person you're pushing is airborne.

;)I also play in the offseason and had a situation yesterday most of you'll all laugh at. Most people in the gym simply accept what I say as gold...but there is one guy that thinks he's God's gift to basketball....

A3 gets an offensive rebound at the FT line and turns to the top to pass the ball to his teammate. His teammate has one foot in the backcourt (specifically...toes at/on the line with the heel completely in the backcourt). He dribbled forward and passed to a teammate who shot.... (no one on the court said anything)

I was watching that game (not saying anything) and another guy who was also watching said to me "That's over-and-back isn't it?" I confirmed. He said to the player, "we'll let you slide on that one".

After a couple of basic words back and forth between them, this guy claims that he knows it is OK to have one foot on the line in HS rules because he "used to ref".

I respond with "How sure are you of that? I'll put money down that it is illegal in every US based rule set. How much? $20? $50? $100?..." I can't remember how high I got but it was in the hundreds I was about to even give him 2:1 odds, but he was curiously silent....he didn't seem so sure any more. :D I was hoping to make a few bucks but he wouldn't bite. ;)

He does this a time or two a year...I've even sent him copies of NBA, NCAA, and HS rules on certain topics, he never replies. :|

You sure the dolt who said this isn't actually a HS coach???? ;)

Hmmm. It's preseason, he's a basketball coach. Might be one of his players or assistant coaches?

Tell them that they are not playing rugby. I know, some wreck league might be confused with it, but you can always look at the ball. :)

In rugby, if a player out of bounds touches the ball, the last player touching it on the field has caused the ball to go OOB. The rule about being OOB is similar.

Ciao

Can You Hear Barbra Singing In The Background ???
 

Whoever argued that the ball should go to the team who last touched it before it hit A1 must be very old. About thirty years ago, when a ball was thrown such that the ball hit a player who was out of bounds, it was ruled to be out of bounds off the team that threw the ball, because they caused it to go out of bounds.

Really.

Maybe Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will kindly make a trip up to his attic library to confirm this for us. He might be the only Forum member old enough to remember this rule, since, as far as I know, dirt is not a Forum member.

A1 inbounding the ball, B1 on defense, on court, blocks the ball back onto A1 who is still out of bounds. A team ball. Almost the same scenario.
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Are you saying it would be A's ball?

Think again.

Yes, most definitely, as I would classify A1 as a basketball support, an object, or another referee; think about it, as soon as B1 touches the ball, the ball is live and the clock starts.
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And as soon as the ball hits PLAYER A1 standing out of bounds, the ball is dead and the clock stops and B will get the throw-in.

You're in New Zealand, so the FIBA rules might be different. Under FED and NCAA rules, A1 caused the ball to go OOB; it's B's ball.

Reminder ...
 

NFHS 7-1-1: A player is out of bounds when he/she touches the floor, or any object other than a player/person, on or outside a boundary. For location of a player in the air.
NFHS 7-1-2: The ball is out of bounds:
a. When it touches or is touched by:
1. A player who is out of bounds.
2. Any other person, the floor, or any object on or outside a boundary.
3. The supports or back of the backboard.
4. The ceiling, overhead equipment or supports.
b. When it passes over a rectangular backboard.
NFHS 7-2-1: The ball is caused to go out of bounds by the last player in bounds to touch it or be touched by it, unless the ball touches a player who is out of bounds prior to touching something out of bounds other than a player.
NFHS 7-2-2: If the ball is out of bounds because of touching or being touched by a player who is on or outside a boundary line, such player causes it to go out.

Good time for a reminder. If A1 is dribbling near the sideline, and his jersey touches a chair that's out of bounds, then A1 is out of bounds. However, if A1 is dribbling near a sideline, and his jersey touches, in turn, a coach, a cheerleader, an official, and finally, a fan, who are all out of bounds, then there is no out of bounds violation. Tricky, but still, nevertheless, true.

Maybe in FEEBLE ball, not here.

Got this from the FIBA rule book online:

23.2.2 If the ball is out-of-bounds because of touching or being touched by a player who is on or outside the boundary line, this player causes the ball to go out-of-bounds.

It's the same in FIBA rules. A1 is legally OOB, but a player anyway. Good defense by team B.

Ciao

WTF :eek:

Care to make a bet on that? How much? $20, $50, $100? I'll give you 2-1 odds.